Talk:Mokri tribe

Tribes name

The word “Mokri” is the transliterated version of the tribes name in Persian while “Mukri” is the transliterated version of the tribes name in Kurdish. Thus, since this tribe is typically considered as a Kurdish and Kurdish-speaking tribe, it would be more authentic to change the wikis name to “Mukri tribe.” Also it would match the wiki page of “Mukriyan,” of which the name is derived from this “Mukri” tribe, which was recently changed from “Mokryan” also for authenticity reasons. Aghajgalazara (talk) 00:43, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia is written using reliable sources, not whatever/whichever may or may not be "authentic". - LouisAragon (talk) 18:38, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

User:Semsuri suggestion to move the Page ‘Mokryan,’ which corresponds with ‘Mokri,’ to be switched with Mukriyan, which is with the latter, has already been approved. The same should be done here. Dr. Hakan Ozoglu states that ‘Mokri’ is just the alternative spelling for the name ‘Mukri,’ which is it’s native term, in “Kurdish Notables and the Ottoman State“ and “Osmanlı devleti ve Kürt milliyetçiliği.” The work ‘Grammatica e vocabolario della lingua Kurda’ stresses that the Kurdish Sorani language, which the Mukri is native in, uses short-vowels (like ‘u’) instead of long (like ‘o’) like in Persian. In “Nomadenstämme in Persien im 18. und 19. Jahrhundert” the Persian Alternative spelling is always put before the native like they did with Mokri-Mukri in page 80, 119, and 122. I think it would be more appropriate to use the native phonetic for this page. Aghajgalazara (talk) 01:43, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

• user:Semsûrî Aghajgalazara (talk) 01:44, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

^^ correction with hyperlink apologies Aghajgalazara (talk) 01:44, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 29 October 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) Polyamorph (talk) 17:15, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

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Mokri tribe → Mukri tribe – Sources and argument is above^. If you have objections with this proposed move please state why with reliable sources. Aghajgalazara (talk) 01:32, 29 October 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Polyamorph (talk) 09:44, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Per the same reason you were given above; names are not based on what may be more "authentic". EDIT: I just noticed that this was your second attempting at moving the article without any WP:CONSENSUS [1] [2]. --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:35, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

  Apologies about the issue with moving this article without consensus, I did not recieve an additional reply from previous discussion when I provided sources. I also was not familiar with the request move template I am currently using. The name is "authentic" because it follows the native pheontic rules of the spelling of this name, backed with sources that explain the reason for the difference of two spellings and the language the Mukri tribe is affilated with. The reason is common name. I will copy and paste my previous argument for efficiency:

  User:Semsûrî suggestion to move the Page ‘Mokryan,’ which corresponds with ‘Mokri,’ to be switched with Mukriyan, which is with the latter, has already been approved. The same should be done here. Dr. Hakan Ozoglu states that ‘Mokri’ is just the alternative spelling for the name ‘Mukri,’ which is it’s native term, in “Kurdish Notables and the Ottoman State“ and “Osmanlı devleti ve Kürt milliyetçiliği.” The work ‘Grammatica e vocabolario della lingua Kurda’ stresses that the Kurdish Sorani language, which the Mukri is native in, uses short-vowels (like ‘u’) instead of long (like ‘o’) like in Persian. In “Nomadenstämme in Persien im 18. und 19. Jahrhundert” the Persian Alternative spelling is always put before the native like they did with Mokri-Mukri in page 80, 119, and 122. I think it would be more appropriate to use the native phonetic for this page. Aghajgalazara (talk) 01:57, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

• Neutral Oppose per WP:CONSISTENT we don't usually capitalize "tribe" in articles such as this: Bishari tribe, Koena tribe, Ghosi tribe, Bayad tribe, Mangwato tribe, Baiga tribe, Rath tribe, Muker tribe, Kangarlu tribe, Qawasameh tribe, Buri tribe, Ibani tribe, Rolong tribe, Awori tribe, Kani tribe, Ashina tribe, Houthi tribe, etc. Rreagan007 (talk) 03:27, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

  Noted, made the change to the request. Aghajgalazara (talk) 04:55, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

I have changed my vote to neutral. Rreagan007 (talk) 04:15, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.