Talk:Molière

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'je voudrai savoir pourquoi Molière est plus célebre' "was a French theatre writer, director and actor, one of the masters of comic satire" I do think that Moliére deserves a better introduction than that...

'.. he assumed the pseudonym of Molière, inspired by the name of a small village in Southern France.' I believe that there is no historic proof of this. My family is from the village of Moliere (close to Le Vigan) and we would have been very proud of this, but unfortunately there is, as far as I know, absolutely no proof of it. It is true, though, that J.B. Poquelin started using this Nom de scence while touring the south of France. I'm editing the page to add "possibly" to the sentence.

Don Juan showing links; but not linking

In the head section, there is a link for Don Juan. However the link is not operational and, as there is no edit link at the head of the head section (!) I am not sure how to make it work. Pardon!--avaiki (talk) 06:41, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

As of 29/09/2006, acts of vandalism have been noted on this page. They include the deletion of numerous parts of the articles, as well as the mentions "YOU SUCK" and "DUHDUHDUH", retards. I have restored the page to its latest version, prior to the adding of the inappropriate comments and changes. For more details, check the history of the page.

Persistent vandalism

Once this article has been restored to its full, encyclopedic form, can there please be a lock on edits? I could practically just go in and delete the whole entry right now and, considering some rapscallion seems bent on its senseless destruction (i.e., not many people know of Moliere to begin with, so random, puerile, witless and unoriginal acts of e-terrorism are pretty vain and inconsequential), I'm surprised a lock hasn't been in order since September.

Aside from being an irritation to those who actually care deeply about French literature, this looks bad. Wiki already suffers a mild notoriety for being a pin cushion for childish ragamuffins' antics, and the caps lock'ed garble glaring at the top of the page where there used to be an article is about as sad of a mess as I've ever seen on here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.71.245.81 (talk) 19:44, 11 December 2006 (UTC).

An excellent source for someone who is interested and has the time.

Moliere: A Theatrical Life by Virginia Scott is pretty much the best source you're ever going to find. If I had the time, I'd add stuff, but my finals are killing me. If anyone is truly interested in spending the time to make this a quality entry, then I strongly suggest diving in the book. 12.23.54.53 03:45, 13 December 2006 (UTC) Andrew

Took out a mention of Moliere causing the term Don Juan to refer to a womanizer; Don Juan was a well-known character before Moliere's time.

List of Works

It would be nice -- for the non-French speaker -- if the list of works listed the English translation next to the titles.

Picture of Moliere

Right now the picture doesn't fit in the box and is sticking out over the text. I would change this, but I don't know how.24.151.101.55 23:18, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Birth vs. baptism date

I understood that 15 January 1622 was his baptism date but that we don't actually know when he was born. --JackofOz (talk) 00:13, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Unless they were princes (and were simply "sprinkled" to tide them over to a prestigious baptismal ceremony months or even years later), almost everyone was baptised within 48 hours of birth, sometimes the very day of birth. So, maybe he was born on Jan. 13, or maybe on January 14? But the year is virtually certain: 1622; and the month also: late January. Patricia M. Ranum (talk) 18:41, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Authorship controversy

There is a significant controversy that developed in France concerning whether Moliere is the actual author of his plays (much similar to Shakespeare's own authorship controversy). Some suggest that the author of most of his plays is in fact Corneille, another significant French dramatist. I don't know enough to edit the article myself (and I'm lazy), but that would be nice if someone created a section discussing that.

There's a pretty detailed article in french on this topic. There's an English article on it as well though it's not as well.--Contributin (talk) 21:27, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Template of the plays

I think there should be a section on the plays saying something like the following:

"Many of Moliere's plays (The Miser, The Misanthrope, The Bourgeois Gentleman, The Imaginary Invalid, The School for Wives, Tartuffe) adhere to a certain pattern. In the center is an "eccentric", originally played by Moliere himself. There would be a "raisonneur" or "reasoner", usually the eccentric's brother, who would argue with the eccentric and voice the conventional point of view. The plot would often revolve around the attempts of the eccentric to force an unwise marriage, involving either his children (The Miser, the Bourgeois Gentleman, the Imaginary Invalid, Tartuffe) or himself ( The Misanthrope, the School for Wives). Often the happy ending would be brought about by a DEUS EX MACHINA rather than an orderly plot development (Tartuffe, the Miser). The lovers themselves tend to have little character or poetry to them. A play would usually contain an witty, scheming servant as comic relief or as an additional crtic of the eccentric."

"Moliere does vary this pattern in interesting ways. In the Misanthrope, for example, the conversation between the eccentric and the reasoner gives both sides good arguments rather than allowing the reasoner to win out. In the Bourgeois Gentleman the role of reasoner is given to the eccentric's wife rather than a male character. In Tartuffe there is a powerful character, Tartuffe himself, who tends to overshadow Moliere's eccentric (Orgon)."

"The most famous play that does not follow this pattern is Don Juan, where Moliere played the subordinate role of the Don's servant, and the title character is an antagonist rather than a mere eccentric."--CharlesTheBold (talk) 02:22, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Which title: Imaginary Invalid or Hypochondriac?

I noticed that the article had different translations for the title of Le Malade imaginaire, so I updated them all to match the English title used on the play's own Wikipage (i.e., Imaginary Invalid). Is that the best solution to the problem? Aristophanes68 (talk) 03:22, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Moliere Died in a Chair

The chair Moliere died in is on display in the lobby of the Comedie Francais in Paris. Or at least it was the last time I was there. 64.169.155.54 (talk) 01:58, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Le Mari De La Noble?

And what about a piece called "Le Mari De La Noble" (or something like this, "The Husband of the Noble"), from 1668? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leonardo Teixeira de Oliveira (talk • contribs) 03:48, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Molière - pronunciation

As a Tahitian, I speak Tahitian, but also French. Until last July I wanted to be a language teacher and studied three years. But I had to change my mind. Now I study Lettres modernes (French litterature, language and more) in France, in a French University. That is why I would like to contribute and correct errors I see on Wikipedia, like the pronunciation of Molière, for example. At least when I can 'catch' the 'edit' tab, which is often hidden behind the Wikipedia logo on my phone screen. Or when I can go to the end of the text in one section or... When I don't see a warning sign saying that replacing /ɔ/ by /o/ in the IPA representation of Molière is "about to remove a large amount of the existing text" or something like this - and this happens often on the Wikipedias. Wow! Only one touch of my mobile phone to replace one character is able to do this? How is this possible? That's why I left my mobile phone and did the same thing from a computer. But this a rare possibility for me (please read my talk page for more). Sincerely yours, Eva.i.uta (talk) 01:52, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

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'Moral Content'

When describing 'Le Misanthrope', what do we mean by "the one with the highest moral content"?--Lpwarner (talk) 17:16, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 February 2019

42.110.155.56 (talk) 08:38, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DannyS712 (talk) 10:31, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Vital articles

Hi, I expected to find this article in the biographies of Wikipedia:Vital articles. Forgotten? Yann (talk)