Talk:Money disorder

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"Money disorder" as a clinically meaningful and statistically validated psychopathology is unfounded. There are no scholarly rigorous epidemiological studies, or a body of scholarly literature to support proposing, "Money disorder" as a clinically significant psychopathological syndrome, that can not already be explained by one or more recognized comorbid clinical diagnoses. I dispute the statement referring to psychology and mental health fields having neglected something called, "money disorders". Stress and the associated dysfunctional behaviour specifically caused by or resulting in financial problems can be better explained by any number of diagnostic categories (DSM-5, ICD-10), including but not limited to, Acute Stress Disorder, Adjustment Disorder, OCD, ADHD, Depression etc. Furthermore, all diagnoses, as described in the DSM-5, require that there is a social and occupational impairment (including the impact on finances), to be clinically significant.

The article in it's current form is pseudoscience, misleading to anyone seeking clinical help, and is not in the general readers' interest. Dr.khatmando (talk) 11:18, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

@Dr.khatmandoI understand your viewpoint on Money Disorder and agree with the importance of upholding rigorous standards when discussing psychological phenomena. While Money Disorder may not currently have widespread recognition as a distinct clinical syndrome, it's worth noting that there is a growing body of research that delves into the complex interplay between financial stress and mental health. In this context, the article could be seen as a valuable resource for highlighting the ongoing research and discussions regarding the psychological dimensions of financial stress, financial management, and their potential impacts on mental well-being. While existing diagnostic categories explain certain aspects of stress related to financial difficulties, there is merit in exploring how financial issues may uniquely affect individuals' mental states. While I respect your concerns regarding the potential pseudoscientific nature of the article, there is an opportunity to reframe it as a platform for discussing the emerging research surrounding the intersection of psychology and finance. This way, the article can contribute to the ongoing development of our understanding of how financial stress impacts mental health while acknowledging its current status as a subject of ongoing inquiry and investigation. Srystrom (talk) 03:39, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Great feedback @Dr.khatmando. Have you have alternative perspectives on the use of the term since posting this in 2017? There is the new edition of the DSM which still doesn't address money disorders but that doesn't mean we can't have disordered money behaviors, right? Sld3333 (talk) 21:28, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes there is a new DSM edition. I still hold the opinion that financial related clinically significant stress, is best explained as an aetiological factor of statistically validated Dx. That doesn’t mean that “money disorders” which could be an operational term for exploratory research. I apologise that I may have short changed you on my last dialogue. I should have mentioned that the ICD-11 (current vs.) is the WHO “DSM” except it is by far more comprehensive in its diagnostic coding. It also explains or describes classified diseases in behavioural terms. I.e. how any person would most likely describe abnormality of behavior. There are several references to money as a motivator, clinical feature, or outcome (prognostic) across several categories. I think you will find some useful departure points that should govern future research. In the least it is worth familiarising yourself with the ICD, as it is the main diagnostic resource in Europe and also useful in MH or physical disease epidemiology. Please read and if you add an opinion piece or response to this thread, I will endeavour to return to read your conclusions. Hope this helps. Dr.K. Dr.khatmando (talk) 05:39, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Here are some suggestions to make the article reflect the current and accepted clinical psychology lexicon.

I suggest you change “Causes” to Aetiology or Etiology (US spelling) nowadays both in then US and British Commonwealth nations use both spellings.

nexr for “Money Disorder related psychological conditions” I would reword to “Money Disorder Psychopathology” If you have documented symtomology from the scholarly blind peer review sources, then you have evidence that mental health sector has noted attributable symptoms.Doesn’t mean that you’re closer to having a “Money Disorder” working group to the draft DSM-6, but at least the article will be closer to what we expect in Wikimedicine and Wikifoundation Medicine.

I will try and help you when I can. If you get stuck ping me.

It’s important to make sure Medical related articles are of the highest quality. The reason being that after the media criticised Dr.Google there was an exodus of people with medical quals and experience who just left Wikipedia.Being a “Researcher/Clinician”, I didn’t notice the solitude as I translated several articles from Japanese to English, and rewrote some of the embarrassingly appalling articles. That made me the most prolific content contributor to Wikimedicine for two years. It was mainly just me and Doc James. So we attracted a new generation of medical professionals from around the world who were at the time fiercely in support of the open access movement that had gained a lot of support from clinicians many of whom were in developing countries Vietnam and the greater Sinosphere nations, SE Asia, and the Balkans.

The quality of the articles has dramatically improved due to the sheer numbers of young passionate clinical educators, practitioners, and postgraduate research students. There was so much activity that I avoided interfering because the output only needed a native English check to be exceptional sources of accurate information. Wiki foundation was also supportive because there emerged studies of clinicians working with people from the poorest nations, using printouts of WP articles as medical reference to inform clinical practice. There was a Wikifoudation project called “Internet in a Box” that was a small hard disk with bluetooth connectivity and preloaded with all the best quality medical articles. This allows for a Doctor in the Congo to treat people in rural settings, and his team access to a micro intranet, serving clinician’s smartphones with WP medicine articles, despite no cellular or any internet connectivity. Same thing occurred after Fukushima until power was restored, doctors clinics, hospitals, and rehabilitation centres had access to a Japanese technology based “Internet in a Box”. They’re setup is really good of course.

So keep this in mind when you work on this article. Try to get it to the best quality you can. Then more clinical field experts on Wikipedia will come help you. You might just make it into the blind peer reviewed Journal of Wikimedicine, which has a decent impact factor, and a phenomenal amount of article submissions for publication.

hope that helps and gives you some history and greater world context, and encourages you to pursue your chosen contributions with a passion for scholarly rigorous research, and encyclopaedic medical reference articles on WP.

Good luck, I tip my hat to you for dedication over the years. That’s a hallmark of a scholar!.

Cheers,

Dr.Jason Dixon PhD (Ohio)

aka Dr. Kharma do on Wikipedia! Dr.khatmando (talk) 12:10, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Dr. Dixon,

Thank you so much for your feedback and perspective towards a greater world context. I made the changes that you suggested for heading renaming and will continue to update this page with the most up-to-date and relevant peer-reviewed research articles that I am able to find.

Appreciate your time and effort! Srystrom (talk) 16:20, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Psychology of Financial Planning II

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 25 August 2023 and 17 October 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Srystrom, Sld3333 (article contribs).

— Assignment last updated by BCSurvivor20! (talk) 05:44, 2 October 2023 (UTC)