Talk:Mongolian nationality law

Dual citizenship

Could the implications of the fact that "dual citizenship is no longer allowed" be explained? Circeus (talk) 01:55, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

It's explained under the "History" section. "Before the fall of the Soviet Union, dual citizenship between the two countries was accepted." Bsimmons666 (talk) ^Friend? 02:43, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, but does that implies IN PRACTICE? For example, doe sit mean that somebody born from parents who are respectively American and Mongolian, in Mongolia, is not allowed to have Mongolian nationality? Does it mean that you have to renounce your nationality before making a Mongolian nationality demand? Etc. Circeus (talk) 03:13, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

What does it actually mean to say that "Dual citizenship is no longer accepted."? Dual citizenship is a fact, it is not something which states can or need to "recognize" or "accept". Generally, under international law, it is the prerogative of each state to decide whose its citizens are. So if two states both decide Ms. X is a citizen, there is nothing either state can do in response to the decision of the other, other than essentially say "well, if the other one chose to recognize, we won't". The most they can do, is try to prevent it, by one or more of the following:

1. Require persons being naturalized to renounce their previous citizenship, or at least attempt to, with some punishment if they fail to do so, e.g. by invalidating the naturalization
2. Provide that citizens who acquire another citizenship lose their citizenship, possibly with a restriction to only when they "voluntarily" acquired it, for some varying intepretations of voluntarily.
3. Provide that upon reaching a particular age (often 18, or 21 or 25 or something like that), dual citizens have to choose one citizenship or another, and lose the one they don't choose (possibly with some rules about, if they don't explicitly choose, taking their behaviour as constituting an explicit choice, e.g. you lived abroad, so you chose theirs over ours and thus lost ours; you didn't renounce theirs, so you chose theirs over ours and thus lost ours, etc.)

There is no evidence in [1] that Mongolia does any of these. Yes, the consulate may have said "we don't recognize it", but there is no evidence present that means anything more than "we don't like it or approve of it".

Actually, [2] is a good introduction to some of the issues involved, except that it holds to this nebulous idea of states recognizing or not recognizing dual citizenship. All states can do is incorporate measures into their citizenship law to try to prevent dual citizenship. There is no sense beyond this in which recognizing / not-recognizing dual citizenship has any meaning or relevance. --SJK (talk) 04:26, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

I didn't put that ref in. It was this reference before. Bsimmons666 (talk) ^Friend? 16:45, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

[3] is just a cut and paste job of [4] (which they can do, because US Federal government documents are in the public domain). So, I think it would be better to refer to the original source, which is reasonably trustworthy, rather than someone else' cut and paste job. --SJK (talk) 22:59, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

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