Talk:Monomyth
"Heroes journey" is a grammatical nightmare. The article is about the journey of a hero (hero's journey). The spelling of the title states that more than one hero is currently journeying. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.19.71.67 (talk • contribs)
why is this even a page?
editthe page purports to be about a phrase. that it attributes to Joseph Campbell. it then proceeds to present the list of directions for screenwriters that Vogler developed out of Campbells work for Disney. the list isn't campbell's - the phrase isn't Voglers.? DavidP
Clean-up proposal
editMy intent is to begin clean-up of the following four over-lapping Joseph Campbell-related articles:
- The Hero with a Thousand Faces: An article which I understand to be a discussion of Campbell's seminal 1949 book, which applied the term monomyth to the underlying structure of the Hero's journey.
- Monomyth: An article which appears to be focused on the application of the monomyth structure in modern movies and other writing.
- The Hero' s journey (phrase): An article which is very similar to the Monomyth article - that is, a discussion of the Hero's journey concept outlined by Campbell.
- The Hero's Journey (note different capitalization and spacing): An article limited to a discussion of a separate book and documentary with that title about the life of Joseph Campbell.
The first step was to try to clean-up and re-focus the The Hero with a Thousand Faces article and the Monomyth article (only). There was modern application material in the The Hero with a Thousand Faces article that looked like it belonged in the Monomyth article, and explanatory material in the Monomyth article that looked like it belonged in the The Hero with a Thousand Faces article. Hence, the first step was to duplicate the material into what looked like the "proper" article.
The intended next step will be to then clean-up both articles - by deleting and summarizing material to better focus those two articles on their two subjects (book vs. modern application).
The following step after that will be to start a discussion about merging the Monomyth article and the The Hero' s journey (phrase) articles. Those two terms are usually used synonymously; I'm not sure that the confusion caused by two articles with almost identical topics is worth whatever benefit might be derived (but that's two steps down the road here).
So, to summarize - This is a proposal about cleaning-up these four Campbell-related articles, with the first step being cleaning up The Hero with a Thousand Faces article and the Monomyth article. (I'm going to post parts of this in all four articles). NorCalHistory 13:47, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Propose deleting this as a separate page
editThis page appears to be a checklist of ideas for screenwriters, based on the work of Joseph Campbell. It doesn's appear to meet the standards for a WP article. The basic structure of this page is already contained on the Monomyth and The Hero with a Thousand Faces pages. NorCalHistory 02:57, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
WHAT IN THE WORLD?
editThis is a bunch of crap. Hero's journey is a very different thing in the literature world. the Hero's journey is actually pretty much this order :
Separation (from the known) The Call The Threshold (with guardians, helpers, and mentor)
Initiation and Transformation
The Challenges The Abyss The Transformation The Revelation The Atonement
The Return (to the known world)
The Return (with a Gift)
the crap about josh campbell or whatever needs to be a different page.
This has very much disappointed me, this article. I was expecting clear things from wikipedia. samphex 01:52, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
- What is your reference for your claims?Goldfritha 02:07, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Wow. Campbell is actually pretty well known in the literary world. I'm not sure what you're referring to. Wrad 03:46, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Move discussion in progress
editThere is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Monomyth which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 05:14, 30 June 2016 (UTC)