Talk:Montclair, Oakland, California

Oakland hills not a proper name

Although it is often heard in the past two decades or so in common parlance, there remains no proper name for the hills in Oakland south of Round Top. Neither the CSAA maps, nor the USGS maps, nor the federal gazetteer recognize the toponym "Oakland Hills". Neither did Professor Lawson who surveyed the Hayward Fault through the hills of Oakland. It would be proper to refer to Oakland hills, little "h", or to mention what I've outlined above, or to mention that although not a proper toponym, that there is a common usage in the past two or three decades. But it is definitely not the function of Wikipedia to invent names.

As to the link, the article linked is not about a geographic feature as used in the text of this article, but to a district or neighborhood, which presents it's own inherent problem in that this article has the neighborhood named Montclair. If Montclair is actually distinct from the Oakland Hills neighborhood, then the link is entirely inappropriate since it's, well, false. Two different neighborhoods. Tmangray (talk) 06:42, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

There are "contributors" who, for one reason or another, downplay Montclair's affluence. In fact, it is one of the wealthier neighborhoods in the Bay Area. Furthermore, to claim that merely "some larger properties" exist in the neighborhood is not only a poor attempt at editing for concision, but also factually distorted. On the "Piedmont side" of Montclair, large mansions and estates cluster the hillsides above and below the major streets such as La Salle, Somerset, (the appropriately named) Estates Drive, Dawes Drive, Pershing Drive, et al. Likewise, east of highway 13, mansions and estates feature prominently on such thoroughfares as Colton Blvd., Ascot Blvd, Snake Road, Broadway Terrace, Weybridge Ct., Mazuela Drive, Elverton Road, etc.

Might such "contributors," in the interest of concision, leave out the names of such streets but at least articulate the true scope of the neighborhood and its characteristics, starting with, oh, say the considerable stock of some of the highest-end homes in the East Bay. It would, you know, adhere to wiki's supposed interest in accuracy, yes? MM — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.131.229.161 (talk) 15:51, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

i agree there are some wealthy areas, but there are also plenty of low income developments near town. I do not think it should be qualified as a "wealthy" neighborhood. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jasonpurdy (talk • contribs) 23:03, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

You're joking. And your not-so-subtle racism is duly noted,e.g., that even the proximity of "low income developments" (read: people of colour) to any "wealthy" (read: white) district automatically, in your racist view, automatically disqualifies us from denoting said district as affluent, even if no "low income developments" in the literal sense actually exist (or are allowed to exist) in the district in question.

CASE IN POINT: Let me point out, sir or madame, that "low income developments" do NOT EXIST ANYWHERE WITHIN THE MONTCLAIR district of Oakland.

There are no "section 8 housing," no subsidized housing, no homeless shelters, no "disadvantaged" housing of any sort within Montclair, including Old Montclair, Merriwood, Glen Highlands, Forestland, Piedmont Pines or any other neighborhood within what Oaklanders, Oakland real estate companies, and Oakland's political establishment consider "Montclair."

Furthermore, as the median income of Montclair and its constituent neighborhoods matches or exceeds that of such counterparts as Sea Cliff or Forest Hill in San Francisco, Montclair by literal definition is wealthy*. Housing costs range from over half a million dollars for the tiny turn-of-the-century old log cabins that are under one thousand square feet to multi-million dollar estates throughout Old Montclair (Pershing, Dawes, Bruin, Estates, Wood, etc.) and New Montclair (Mazuela, Elverton, Diablo, Skyline, Ascot, et al.) Sources:

• 1. http://www.city-data.com/neighborhood/Montclair-Oakland-CA.html
• 2.http://www.ericchang.net/community/oakland-and-piedmont/montclair-and-piedmont-pines/
• 3. http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/hpci_data/

4. http://www.zillow.com/montclair-oakland-ca/home-values/ 5. https://www.trulia.com/real_estate/Montclair-Oakland/7928/ 6.http://www.streetadvisor.com/montclair-oakland-alameda-county-california

• 8. https://www.visitoakland.org/explore/neighborhoods/montclairhills/
• 9.http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/morning_call/2015/11/oakland-montclair-village-restaurant-retail-office.html

10.http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/blog/2014/12/luxury-home-sales-oakland.html

Your willful ignorance on the issue is established. Make any attempts to revise this entry per your now proven falsehoods, and I will thus lodge a formal complaint against you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:3784:C700:1EC:9183:68D4:C3AB (talk) 18:54, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

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