Talk:Montitxelvo

Name

The prevailing name is not "Montichelvo", but "Montitxelvo". All the news about this town use the latter name: this, this, this and this, among others (and I found all of these by googling "Montichelvo"). Even in Spanish, the most used name is "Montitxelvo". That's how Spanish media refer to this town, either right-wing media (here, here or here) or left-wing media (here or here). As soon as I am autoconfirmed, I'm moving back the page to its original name. Fromcs (talk) 15:12, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

That's not true. Also, this is the English Wikipedia so English names prevail. And when you refer to "right-wing media" or "left-wing media" to national newspapers shows there is some kind of bias in your edits.

Also, the OFFICIAL name is Montichelvo/Montitxelvo https://www.comunitatvalenciana.com/es/valencia/montitxelvo-montichelvo and your desire to remove one of the official names just because it's in Spanish language shows it all... please be more neutral, first read WP:POV before doing further edits. LucenseLugo (talk) 14:50, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

"That's not true". Well, the sources I provide say otherwise. That's the name all the English-language newspapers use. So please read them before making any changes (I don't like to repeat myself). In fact, I found a new one: even The Guardian uses "Montitxelvo".

In the second place, you should also read the edit itself. I am not removing any name; in fact, I left both. Erasing names just because they are not written in Spanish is precisely what you do, and here is some proof: here, here and here. Now show me a single time in which I tried to remove a Spanish name (as a matter of fact, my second edit on Wikipedia as a registered user was a draft using a Spanish-name title for a Valencian Community article). You are quite close to a single-purpose account, indeed, for your only purpose from long ago appears to be removing every single non-Spanish name from Spain-related articles - your other purpose appears to be no other than to argue that Wikipedia does not properly represent the greatness of the Spanish Empire, as your July-October edits show. I.e. your POV is quite biased indeed.

You should know that Wikipedia abides by the three-revert rule. You have already made two attempts at imposing your own edit without consensus (and do yourself a favor and don't call your own edit "stable").--Fromcs (talk) 16:52, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

By breaking WP:NPA I don't know where exactly do you want to go with a brand new account known to have used several IPs and a couple of similar-style editing accounts over the past 12 months in similar articles, always without a WP:NPOV and getting reverted by other users. Keep it this way and I will gather all of that info very soon and I will fulfill an ANI against your repeated personal attacks.

Yeah, you are the one to talk about WP:NPA. Have you read yourself?

- As of your claims for me doing "Spanish nationalistic" edits, do you realize all of the 3 examples you have shown were because they didn't include any WP:RS? In fact, they didn't include any source at all. So deleting unsourced content is a must by WP:GUIDELINES.

- It's very ugly to blatantly lie that when everything can be easy provable. My edits in the page Spanish Empire were only to include a map as it doesn't have one (or it had an inaccurate one) and I have asked for the opinion of many other expert users in the talk page.

- Please stop being WP:DISRUPTIVE, refrain yourself from your personal emotions and apply WP:NPA and WP:NPOV when editing on Wikipedia. You've made a RfC just as I have said, now wait for it. And the official name is Montichelvo/Montitxelvo (as shown above) but you didn't want to make that move either. So wait for other comments. LucenseLugo (talk) 18:57, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

From your own contributions to the talk page in "Castellón de la Plana", I think you made it quite clear that the official name is irrelevant. Now it does matter?--Fromcs (talk) 19:04, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Because you can't compare a big city to a small town "no one" knows it exists. As I have told you, Seville or Copenhagen are the names in English and ignore the local or even official ones.

And as for Castellón I don't understand your problem if I left Castelló de la Plana in bold text despite not being obliged to as that's not a frequent name in English but since I am Neutral (despite your claims) I left it that way because it's the official name. LucenseLugo (talk) 19:10, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Seville and Copenhagen have traditional/official translations into English. Castelló (or Castellón), like Montitxelvo, does not. So it's the same situation. Have you heard of the distinction between "major toponymy" and "minor toponymy"?

By the way, thanks for calling my hometown "big". I think it's the first time I hear someone call it so.--Fromcs (talk) 19:18, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

It's not the same situation. Not even close. Because most English sources (and basically all important ones) use Castellón de la Plana instead of any other name. If there is no English translation, then the most common name in English WP:RS prevails, and that's by very far the example of Castellón. For Montichelvo is not so clear though.

At this point I don't know if you are trolling or what, despite asking you 10 times to inform yourself and to read WP:GUIDELINES when it comes to naming places. LucenseLugo (talk) 19:27, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 9 November 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Page moved/Revert. For future reference, an RM is not necessary to undo a move so as long as it was a recent undiscussed move per WP:RMUM. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jerium (talk) 22:11, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

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Montichelvo → Montitxelvo – See the talk page. This was the stable name of the article for 12 years until a user unilaterally changed it less than a week ago. As the sources provided in the discussion show, English language sources predominantly use "Montitxelvo". Fromcs (talk) 17:57, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose the official name of this small town is bilingual and it includes Montichelvo as well, while it's true that most recent sources call it "Montitxelvo" because there was a recent event there, before that it wasn't exactly like that. Recent sources relied on the official firefighters/local newspapers and they all mostly used the Valencian name "Montitxelvo" instead of using any other name or the original full name.

The official Boletín Oficial del Estado already stated on 2006 that the official name of the town is is Montitxelvo/Montichelvo: https://www.boe.es/diario_boe/txt.php?id=BOE-A-2007-14153 as before that it was just Montichelvo.

I propose that Montichelvo/Montitxelvo or Montitxelvo/Montichelvo could be good names though, as these are the official ones by both Spanish and Valencian official organisms. LucenseLugo (talk) 19:07, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

If the criterion now is to use official names, I'll be more than happy to move the page to Montitxelvo/Montichelvo. But that criterion should apply to any other page (see the recent discussion in Talk:Castellón de la Plana). And it is not currenly being applied.--Fromcs (talk) 19:11, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

That has no relationship with the change of Montichelvo / Montitxelvo so please stick to the main topic of this RfC. LucenseLugo (talk) 19:24, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

• Comment per WP:BOLDMOVE, if you move a page and it is reverted you must NOT move the page again. Doing so, LucenseLugo, is disruptive. Polyamorph (talk) 21:27, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

  Note to closer: If this RM results no consensus, it should in any case be moved back to Montitxelvo, as there will be no consensus for the original move. Polyamorph (talk) 14:17, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

• Support Move back to stable title per WP:COMMONNAME. Polyamorph (talk) 21:27, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
• Support The change to Montichelvo was not adequately substantiated. It seems to go against the anecdotical English-language corpus, although, given its paltry size, caution is suggested.--Asqueladd (talk) 12:04, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.