Talk:Mood Ring (Britney Spears song)

Single status

@Status: What the heck do Refinery29 and InStyle have to do with the music industry? Them typing the word "single" does not automatically make it as such. There's no separate digital release. There's no radio release date. Not even a music or lyric video. It's simply (at this point) an addition to a reissued album. Do better than citing bare URLs of irrelevant websites—most of which write incorrectly that it's "new" (It's been available on YouTube unofficially since at least December 2018...). Every song on Amazon has separate pages. Was "What You Need" released as a single? No, but it also has an Amazon page. This is just not a single... Heartfox (talk) 23:44, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia relies on sources, those are sources calling it a single. Find me a source calling "What You Need" a single. On Amazon, Glory does not contain Mood Ring and it's listed separately. One of the songwriters also called it like a repackaged single of sorts. I say we just wait for a days and see if anything else goes up to either confirm or deny its single release. Having it as a single right now isn't hurting anybody. — Status (talk · contribs) 23:53, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

I have to agree with Heartfox, there are no actual reliable sources calling 'Mood Ring' a single, and having it listed separately on Amazon is certainly not a confirmation. I also agree that in the next few days we'll probably get a confirmation whether it is a single or not, but until then it should not be cited as a single, because that would be speculation. – Artmanha (talk) 01:23, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

I don't think this is a single as of now. It has no indication of having any radio release dates and no reliable sources called it a single. One of the songwriters in the Billboard article called it "a repackaged single of sorts", but I don't think that's a strong indicator, it's more like an opinion of that person. It probably points to a promotional single status at best. Kirtap92 (talk) 08:32, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

This is, indeed, not a commercial single. Wikipedia editors have a hard time grasping the simple fact that a radio release defines contemporary singles. A general discussion needs to be had, with the outcome being updated at WP:SINGLE? to put this endless debate to rest.—NØ 17:29, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Heartfox, Status, Artmanha, Kirtap92, NØ, Danionek, not all commercial singles have (immediate) radio release (it is often true for indie acts), and some promo singles do have radio airplay. Since it was now released and sold as a commercial remix single on iTunes, it can now be classified as a regular single (as opposed to a promo single). I may be mistaken, though (it depends on how the single is officially defined). Israell (talk) 18:40, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Even if we were to list it as a single (I'll leave that to the rest of you to decide), it is not a single released in the promotional campaign for Glory and should not be listed as the album's third single in my opinion.--NØ 18:42, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

I think it should stay as a promotional single, not an official single release. Just because the song got two official remixes, it doesn't make it a single. In my opinion it's a similar case to songs like Rihanna's "Desperado", "Pose" and "Sex with Me". They all received remix EPs so they can promote them in clubs, but they didn't get an official single treatment from her label (no radio release, no music videos, no promo other than that). Later they went number one on Billboard's Dance chart, and I'm sure Britney's remix release is meant to serve the same goals, but they discontinued the chart until the pandemic ends. Anyway we should keep an eye out for any radio release in countries like Italy, because that would make it an official single. (see for example: "I Don't Search I Find", "Joanne") Kirtap92 (talk) 20:18, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

I agree that it shouldn't be listed as a single, at least for now, for the reasons listed above — Artmanha (talk) 04:42, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Update: Song was sent to Italian radios on July 10, 2020. infsai (dyskusja) 19:30, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

References

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:39, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

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• ... that Britney Spears' song "Mood Ring" was originally written as a collaboration between the singer and The Chainsmokers?

Created by Status (talk) and Markuskrgr (talk). Nominated by Status (talk) at 21:25, 31 May 2020 (UTC).

• While this the article is new, long enough, is most probably within policy, and a QPQ has been done, it fails criterion #3, "cited hook". The hook is cited to reference #3, which is an Instagram post, which makes it self-published, failing WP:RS. If you can find a reference that satisfies WP:RS about the hook, I can check if the rest of the article is suitable enough. Howard the Duck (talk) 17:30, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Replacing with this icon as the issue here is easily surmountable and the nomination shouldn't be closed just yet. From previous cases, hooks being based on self-published sources have been allowed in limited cases, usually when the information is not controversial and the source is either the subject themselves or otherwise related to a fact given in the subject's article. Of course, a better source would still be needed here as the Instagram post doesn't seem to make the link to The Chainsmokers explicit. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 00:47, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello! Here is a source talking about the hook. Someone replaced it with an Instagram link for some reason while adding some additional information not mentioned in that Billboard article, but I have restored it to how it was before. — Status (talk · contribs) 13:52, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. @Howard the Duck: Please continue the review now. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 11:51, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

We just need a QPQ right now, and Earwig's Copyvio Detector found a 33% similarity to the Rolling Stone source, but most of it are from quotes from songwriters themselves. Howard the Duck (talk) 13:34, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

@Howard the Duck: Can I supply Template:Did you know nominations/Ba Than (historian) as a QPQ for the nominator? SL93 (talk) 21:40, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes, you can. I believe this now qualifies for DYK. But someone else can overrule me once it goes on queue and spots that the Instagram reference is used at a significant portion of the article. If you can find another reference explaining how DJ Mustard got his hands on this song, please do so. Howard the Duck (talk) 21:50, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Release

@OnMyRadar: Since I do not want to be a part of edit war, I'm bringing it up here. As LOVI33 explained here, that page cannot be used as a reference for CHR release in Netherlands. "Mood Ring" was released to Russian CHR format just two days after the remixes EP release, so I think we can assume that remix EP release date is also the single release date. It is not unusual to release remixes first and impacting radios later (e.g. "Say So"). Plus, my edit was not only about changing the release date, so it should not be undone in this fashion... infsai (talkie? UwU) 18:11, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

@OnMyRadar: You still did not respond to me. The fact that you added Template:efn which states that the remix ep was just a promotional release doesn't change the fact what I would think. Plus, as I stated above, the link for Netherlands isn't an indicator of an airplay release. infsai (talkie? UwU) 22:51, 25 December 2021 (UTC)