Talk:More German than the Germans
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editThe source used does not support the author's claim.
- Which source, which claim? --Dweller (talk) 06:56, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
- The main source used (Google Books) does not support the claim that people called the assimilated Jews more German than the Germans. Chaim Weizmann said that this was a goal, not an acievment, as this article claims. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gabithefirst (talk • contribs) 02:48, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure what point you're making. Are you saying that no-one other than Weizmann used the phrase? Because that's already been demonstrated as untrue in the article. --Dweller (talk) 07:04, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
This article could use additional information about the significance of Jewish women in forming the German-Jewish identity. As Marion A. Kaplan suggests in her article “Gender and Jewish History in Imperial Germany,” historians tend to neglect women’s influence on German-Jewish identity. She writes that Jewish women played a major role in the process of acculturation.[1] They encouraged their children to acculturate through their dress, speech and education and appreciated German entertainment and literature.[2] While still maintaining their Jewish tradition, they served as mediators of Bildung, a German state of cultivation and wealth, which the article briefly mentions but does not attribute to Jewish women. Since they were instrumental in forming Jews’ senses of “Germanness," the history of Jewish women in Imperial Germany should be included in this article. Kaplan’s article is a reliable source that portrays how Jewish women made their families look, speak and act like other Germans.[3] Their actions allowed Jews to ultimately earn the description of being “more German than the Germans.”
If anyone wants to comment on these changes, please let me know on this Talk Page or on my Talk Page. Neiv100 (talk) 05:01, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
References
- ^ Kaplan, Marion A. (1992). "Gender and Jewish History in Imperial Germany". Assimilation and Community: The Jews in Nineteenth Century Europe: 219.
- ^ Kaplan, Marion A. (1992). "Gender and Jewish History in Imperial Germany". Assimilation and Community: The Jews in Nineteenth Century Europe: 208.
- ^ Kaplan, Marion A. (1992). "Gender and Jewish History in Imperial Germany". Assimilation and Community: The Jews in Nineteenth Century Europe: 219.
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Conversions
editThe main result of the assimilation of the 18th and 19th centuries was that a great deal of Germany's Jews, perhaps up to half of them, converted to Christianity during this time. Deborah Hertz writes about this in her book "How Jews became Germans: The history of conversion and assimilation in Berlin" (Yale, 2007). This development, of course, created great pressure on the Jewish community and was a major factor in creating the "more German than the Germans" mindset. Because in view of the mass conversions, the Jewish community had to prove -- both to their young people, who were considering conversion, and to the German society, which up to that point did not accept non-Christians as Germans -- that it was possible to become German without leaving Judaism. This situation must definitely be mentioned in the article. 178.4.151.28 (talk) 08:10, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
Orphaned references in More German than the Germans
editI check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of More German than the Germans's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
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- From The Holocaust: Newman, John (2015). Yugoslavia in the Shadow of War: Veterans and the Limits of State Building, 1903–1945. Cambridge University Press. p. 248.
- From German Empire: Germany article of Encyclopedia Britannia, Link : [1]
- From Julius Hirsch: Kevin E. Simpson (2016). Soccer Under the Swastika; Stories of Survival and Resistance During the Holocaust
- From Religion in Nazi Germany: Yahil, Leni; Friedman, Ina; Galai, Hayah (1991). The Holocaust: the fate of European Jewry, 1932–1945. Oxford University Press US. p. 57. ISBN 978-0-19-504523-9. Retrieved 10 August 2009.
- From Germany national football team: "DFB-Trikot 2012". hansanews.de. Retrieved 9 February 2012.
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 11:53, 20 December 2022 (UTC)