Talk:Moroccan cuisine/Archive 1

Archive 1

Extract from User_talk:Bcorr

Wouldn't it be easier to make the real edit in the first place? -- BCorr ¤ Брайен 02:32, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

What I wrote was accurate. What I replaced was somewhere on the scale from culturally niave to racist. I was not insulting. I did not say "filthy, lecherous Westerners". You reverted. You could have done the edit you suggest I do. You have corrected me but you have not corrected Wikipedia. If you are concerned about Wikipedia then you should remove the pre-exisiting inaccurate insult. Otherwise please explain the motivation for your action.

I don't monitor others' Talk pages. Reply to mine, please.

Paul Beardsell 02:41, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

My point is simple. If there's a problem, correct it. Adding facetious text in in attempt to get someone else to fix the problem you found is not generally productive. Thanks, BCorr ¤ Брайен 02:58, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

To make my point more plain: Imagine if on the American Cuisine page there was the equally misleading comment Kentucky Fried Chicken is usually eaten at brothels. Paul Beardsell 03:00, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

and that was replaced by KFC is sometimes fed to North African tourists at so-called restaurants.

Then I would change it without adding something about overfed Americans eating ersatz Southern cuisine at a multinational fast-food chain... -- BCorr ¤ Брайен 03:03, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

For the record, my change was not of the above character, but was unemotive and factual. What BCorr is objecting to (I think) is the phrasing of the comment I made about my change. The actual edit is itself difficult to object to as it is both unemotionally phrased and accurate. It is not "facetious", as alleged. View the moroccan cuisine version log and diffs. Paul Beardsell 03:44, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

In reply: You also had the opportunity but did not take it. The reversion was unnecessary policing. With the same effort you could have made the constructive change you want me to make. You have blindly crossed the street to correct a jay walker. Paul Beardsell 03:06, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Whatever -- BCorr ¤ Брайен 03:17, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

To make your point about how I could act more constructively you reverted a Wikipedia article to an inaccurate version. That's "whatever". Paul Beardsell 03:28, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I'm guilty of starting this edit war. I wrote about the belly dancing in the original article back in 2001. See the original article for all the discliamers. Honestly, in the US, belly dancing and Morrocco restaurants seem to be unseparable. I prefer the misconcept/stereotyping to be pointed out explicitly instead of simply removing it and pretend it is not there. To the Westerners, this article reads funny and incomplete when there is no mention of belly dancing. Kowloonese 22:31, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)

To Westerners who have actualy been to Morocco, it wouldn't.

Picture

I replaced the picture of a woman pouring tea - it's a rather encyclopedic and interesting photo, far less sterile than just endless photos of food plates. Shows people doing things, showing how they serve the cuisine, etc. This article could do with more pictures like that. I don't see why "privacy" is a concern here. FCYTravis 00:29, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

My two worries Travis are about privacy as well as the non-representative aspect of the tradition that the picture communicates! It is about a little ceremony and not using a non Moroccan pot w/ no hard sugar cones or in pieces, no mint! The point is that the mint and the coned sugar are as much important as tea itself. It is a randomly chosen pic and totally ignores the tradition that a pic is set to reflect. I'll do my best to get a right one. Cheers -- Szvest 02:42, 2 January 2006 (UTC) Cheers -- Szvest 02:42, 2 January 2006 (UTC) ^{Wiki me up™}

OK, but I want to make clear that privacy is not an issue... it's a photo released by its creator into the Creative Commons. That makes it perfectly legitimate to use. If you can find/get one that's more representative of the ceremonies involved in tea drinking, by all means do so. FCYTravis 02:55, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree with you Travis. The picture is legit. However, ethically, I am not sure if the subject is informed about it. I don't mind if it is kept until another one could be found. Cheers Travis. -- Szvest 03:19, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Fayssal! On the issue of the picture: Wikipedia includes loads and loads of Creative Commons pictures of people. The whole point of submitting pictures to the commons is that you are allowing people to use the picture without having to get in contact with you to confirm your permission. Wikipedia will lose a great many of its pictures if we now decide that we don't trust the Commons license, and that we must contact the subject of every picture to make sure they don't mind having their picture used. We really need to accept that the Commons license constitutes permission. But if the tea-set and accoutrements are unrepresentative of Morocco, that's another matter entirely (though the picture's file does say it was taken in a Moroccan village). Anyway, hope things are good with you...both RfAs are going well! I'm very happy about that! :-) Babajobu 02:19, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi Baba ;) - Yes, the point about privacy is understood but my main reason about this whinning from my part related to the tradition more than to any other thing. I don't know if you've already drunk Moroccan tea before (I mean not in a Coffee shop) but the picture is more about the person than the subject itself. As I said, it's called Thé à la mente - à la Marocaine and not Tea poured from a pot designed in China. It is simply having a pic of a Moroccan eating a Big Mac and post it in the snacks and food section that I developed lately. Cheers -- Szvest 02:48, 3 January 2006 (UTC) ^{Wiki me up™}

Fayssal, I actually returned from Agadir only a week-and-a-half ago, but sadly, though I enjoyed the mint tea, I didn't notice the set-up very much! I did notice how they poured the tea from several feet above the cups, which was very neat and is shown in the picture, but I totally accept your statement that the tea-set is not representative. I didn't put the pic in here, and I'm happy to see it replaced by a more accurate one, if we can find it. Regards! Babajobu 03:11, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

So you got your mini-wiki-vacation in Agadir? lol! I didn't know about that. Same Baba, I can't just remove it and that's why we are discussing it. And I totally agree about keeping it until another better and rep pic is found. No worries! - Cheers -- Szvest 03:16, 3 January 2006 (UTC) ^{Wiki me up™}

My mini-wikivacation grows more pathetic by the day, huh! :-) lol, okay, see you around! Babajobu 03:37, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Don't Moroccans Eat Vegetables?

The bit on the dishes of Morocco only lists meats. How Eurocentric is that? Vegetables really are important in the whole food experience, as vegetable cooking style indicates what grows locally and what people do to make vegetables taste good. Couscous doesn't count, by the way, it's a grain. Kd4ttc 14:44, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

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Bold statement, most likely false and unsourced

Hello @2A00:23EE:1580:1925:B49C:279B:FEB8:C3E6:. I've removed this statement from the lead:

... and they [Moroccan and Middle Eastern cuisine] share the same ingredients, dishes, and cooking styles.

Most sources agree that North Africa, Morocco in particular, has its own ingredients and cuisine, despite overlaps and similarities. Furthermore, the full page (74) in your source is not accessible (to me at least). Do please share a screenshot from that page (you can upload it on archive.org) so other editors, myself included, can check it. The statement just before the quoted one was also badly misrepresented from another source. It compared the similarity to Middle Eastern vs African cuisine, rather than making an absolute statement about similarity between Moroccan and Middle Eastern. For all we know, there may be little similarity between the two. The source only says that it's more than it has with African cuisine. I have a feeling that something similar is going on with the above quote.-- Ideophagous (talk) 18:29, 6 October 2022 (UTC)