Talk:Morphou

Comments in 2004

Spelling should be Güzelyurt, can this be changed? --Yak 19:27, Mar 10, 2004 (UTC)

please let's not have an edit war on each town and village. As I said at the discussion on Dipkarpaz, Cyprus has two official languages, Greek and Turkish. The place to discuss the names and the invasion etc. is Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, or List of cities in Cyprus, or history of Cyprus, or whatever, everything else is a waste of time --Yak 15:49, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Comments in 2007

This entry appears biased toward the Greek Cypriot point of view, contains no discussion of the Turkish perspective on the referenced events and also contains no citations or independent sources as required by Wikipedia policy.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.34.51.20 (talk) 16:54, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately this entry is very accurate. I was borned in Morphou in 1960. Morphou was then a beatiful town surrounded by orange trees and orange blossoms. It reminded me of Eden. In 1974 we were forced to leave the town by the Turkish troops. Since then turkish cypriots and settlers live in the town. They also dream of going back to their own hometowns since they are also refugees.Ick2 02:37, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

With all due respect Ick2, your comments about your personal interest in this topic only serve to underscore the point the previous editor made about the lack of neutrality in this entry. The page was appropriately marked as lacking in this respect, as well as in failing to comply with Wikipedia's standards for source citation. If you are unclear about these policies, you can find more information here: WP:NPOV Syme84 03:37, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

For the information of all. There is no such country as the "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus". It is a PSEUDO-STATE that is only recognised by Turkey and not by any other country in the international community, nor by the United Nations.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.7.46.54 (talk) 02:59, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

You know that Turkish Cypriots compressed to only 3% of the Cyprus island (from 40 %). Turks were happy in limassol just as you were happy in Morphou. Then, Greek Cypriots' EOKA Terror Organization applied etnic cleansing to Turks. While this was occuring, why did you raise your voice and prevent etnic-cleansing of Turks? United Nations Peace Force came to the Cyprus island in 1963 (11 years before Turkish action). If you prevented the Greek Cypriot Fanatics in that time, today Turks could be able to live in the south of the island as well, just as you could have been living in Morphou!!TimDuncanSupportsTRNC 12:32, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Assertion of "illegal naming"

I just wanted to note that there is no such thing as an "illegal name". Names that are opposed by the Republic of Cyprus may be endorsed by Northern Cyprus, but the international illegitimacy of Northern Cyprus does not automatically imply that the naming is illegal, to claim so would be original research and POV-pushing. To avoid bias and original research, most common names of settlements should be used, even in translations, which is certainly the case with Güzelyurt at the moment as it is almost universal in newspapers and publications, as well as more common in current vernacular language (just to note, an interesting case where the reverse may be true is Mağusa/Gazimağusa). Therefore, while Omorfo should by no means be excluded, Güzelyurt should be presented as the common usage. By the way, personally I do not object to the inclusion of Armenian names in the major towns even though I do see it as a bit irrelevant in such cases, due to the fact that it is an important part of Cypriot heritage (doing so for villages would be irrelevant on the other hand). The same could be applied for Maronite. However, is it possible to have transliterations or pronunciation in every article where such names are included? --GGT (talk) 17:53, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

The same could be applied for Maronite. Maronites did not even live in towns before 1974. In addition, Cypriot Arabic has not been codified; it has no standard, or even generally-accepted, orthography. Alakzi (talk) 18:17, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Ah, yes, you are right, apologies. --GGT (talk) 19:25, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

For the record, Omorfo has long been in the article and is the (official) Turkish name given in the RoC gazetteer. Alakzi (talk) 22:57, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Status of consecration of church

What is the status of the church? Is it a church building that has been turned into a museum, without being de-consecrated? 46.212.241.63 (talk) 13:27, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

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The legitimacy of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC) is recognized worldwide (International court rulings and national court decisions of various countries)

• The International Court of Justice (ICJ) Ruling on Kosovo (2010):
  

"THERE IS NOTHING IN INTERNATIONAL LAW THAT PROHIBITS DECLARATIONS OF INDEPENDENCE, and the RECOGNITION OF A STATE IS A POLITICAL MATTER."

The United States of America (USA), in the ICJ’s 2010 Kosovo ruling, rejected the Greek Cypriot stance and issued a statement favorable to the Turkish Cypriots:

Harold Hongju Koh (The USA's representative in the UN-ICJ 2010 Kosovo case on behalf of the USA): "The argument advanced by Cyprus against the legality of Kosovo’s unilateral declaration of independence is incorrect. Cyprus attempted to compare the 1244 process to the 'heartbreaking but misleading situation' of a parent sending their young child into state care, never to see them again. I argued, however, that a more accurate analogy would be the futile attempt by the state to forcibly return an adult child to an abusive home when the child no longer wishes to return, especially after the parent and child have LONG LIVED APART, and REPEATED ATTEMPTS AT RECONCILIATION HAVE REPEATEDLY FAILED. In such a case, as here, a DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE WOULD BE THE ONLY VALID OPTION and would undoubtedly be lawful.”
https://www.icj-cij.org/public/files/case-related/141/141-20091208-ORA-01-00-BI.pdf (Page38; Paragraph40)

Accordingly, the US Federal Court (on 9 October 2014) declared the TRNC as a "democratic republic with a president, a prime minister, a legislative body, and a judiciary."

In the UN-ICJ 2010 Kosovo ruling, ICJ Judge Trindade: "The emphasis has shifted from the status of the TERRITORIES to the NEEDS AND DESIRES OF THE PEOPLE."
https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/141/141-20100722-ADV-01-08-EN.pdf (Page550; Paragraph66)

• The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR; 2 July 2013):
  

"Although the regime in the northern area lacks international recognition, THE DE FACTO RECOGNITION OF THE REGIME’S ACTIONS IN THE NORTH MAY BE NECESSARY FOR PRACTICAL PURPOSES. Therefore, the adoption of civil, administrative, or criminal legal measures by the authorities of the 'TRNC', and their application or enforcement within the territory of the regime in the north, may be seen as having a LEGAL BASIS IN DOMESTIC LAW for the purposes of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR)."
http://hudoc.echr.coe.int/eng?i=001-122907

• The United States Federal Court (9 October 2014):
  

"...Although the US does not recognize the TRNC as a state, it can be said that the TRNC purportedly operates as a DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC with a president, prime minister, legislature and judiciary...The TRNC is NOT vulnerable to a lawsuit in Washington."
https://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/district-of-columbia/dcdce/1:2009cv01967/139002/53

• The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR; 2 September 2015):
  

"The judicial system in the 'TRNC', including both civil and criminal courts, reflects the judicial and customary law tradition of Cyprus in its operation and procedures, and therefore, the courts of the 'TRNC' should be regarded as 'established by law' in reference to their 'constitutional and legal foundation. The ECHR had previously ruled that the judicial system established in the 'TRNC' should be considered 'established by law' based on the 'constitutional and legal foundation' that sustains it. Moreover, the ECHR does NOT accept that the courts in the 'TRNC', as a whole, lack independence and/or impartiality. When an action by the authorities of the 'TRNC' complies with the EXISTING LAWS OF NORTHERN CYPRUS, such actions, in principle, have a legal basis in domestic law for the purposes of the European Convention on Human Rights.
http://hudoc.echr.coe.int/eng?i=001-155000

PS: Here, the ECtHR, by referring to the "laws in force in the northern region of Cyprus", means the laws enacted and enforced by the TRNC in northern Cyprus (see the ECtHR’s 02July2013 ruling). In summary, according to the ECtHR, the courts of the TRNC are INDEPENDENT AND IMPARTIAL.

• United Kingdom High Court (3 February 2017):
  

"There was NO duty in UK law upon the Government to refrain from recognising Northern Cyprus. The United Nations itself works with Northern Cyprus law enforcement agencies and facilitates co-operation between the two parts of the island...The cooperation between the UK police and legal institutions in Northern Cyprus is LAWFUL."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/03/criminals-fleeing-british-justice-can-no-longer-use-cyprus-safe
http://ambamarblearch-media.com/sites/default/files/dpp_files/TT.pdf, Page6.212.174.38.177 (talk) 11:39, 9 October 2024 (UTC)