Talk:Morris–Jumel Mansion

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Peer review?

No tag on talk page, if you want I can complete your peer review request and put it on the peer review page, see Wikipedia:Peer review since NRHP Project never developed a peer review of its own. : ). But might I suggest a few things.

• Lead expanding, after the article is all done, see lead guidelines.
• History and today sections should be merged, because today is really just the modern history.
• Bolded ref titles should be italicized.
• For web sources try to include the author (if available) publisher, and date of last access.
• Full dates should be linked in these two cases: If there's a full year like this: March 31, 2022 or if the day and month are given like this: March 21, stand alone years need not be linked unless they provide significant context. (Didn't look like you did this last one though, just stating)
• I usually do a section titled "Significance" where I talk about its National Register of Historic Places listing and any other landmark statues a structure might have.
• In general could do with some expansion.

That's all for now. : ) Hope it helps, any questions don't hesitate to contact me on my talk page. Happy editing. IvoShandor 13:15, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

I just added the basic reference of the NRHP Inventory-Nomination document text and photos, and made other cleanups. My main suggestion is to increase discussion of significance, as IvoShandor suggests. The reference already in the article (which I reformatted) about Places Where Women Made History covers some fascinating material, and there is also good info in the NRHP document. Also, are there any NYC or NYS historic designations for the site? I didn't like the "Today" section title either, and tried changing it. It is perhaps better but still not proper, the choppy division between sections. It seems to me the quality is getting there and should be above Stub status. But I'm still new and not used to doing evaluations yet. Keep up the good work! doncram 01:29, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Quality rating for WP:NRHP

I'm just adding a "See Also" item, reformatting the "Official site" link, and refining the NRHP references. Then I feel the article meets emerging criteria for Start rating within WP:NRHP. These are:

1. at least a short intro is written. What is written is factually and grammatically correct.
2. NRHP infobox is included.
3. NHL designation date is included within the NRHP infobox.
4. NHL summary source is referenced as source for NHL designation date.
5. NRHP inventory/nomination text is linked.
6. accompanying NRHP photo set is linked (within same reference)
7. the "official site" of the owner or controlling organization, in this case the website of Morris-Jumel Mansion, Inc., is included as an External link. Format as "Official site: (link)".
8. that External links section exists and includes at least one link.
9. that See Also section exists and points to List of NHLs in the state.

So I am upping it from "Stub" to "Start-class" quality rating. Upping it further could be merited, too. doncram 02:00, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

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The result was: promoted by Bruxton talk 00:26, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

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View of the Morris-Jumel Mansion

• ... that in 2016, the Morris–Jumel Mansion may have seen a 75 percent increase in visitors because of the Broadway musical Hamilton? Source: Harpaz, Beth J. (June 18, 2016). "Historic site visits up since Hamilton; Harlem home, burial site see 75 per cent increase since Tony Award-winning musical". Chronicle – Herald. p. E2.
  • ALT1: ... that a manuscript discovered in the Morris–Jumel Mansion was sold for $912,000 to finance the mansion's endowment fund? Source: Barry, Rebecca Rego (December 1, 2015). "An Intern Saved a Museum by Finding This Revolutionary War Treasure in the Attic". Smithsonian Magazine.
  • ALT2: ... that the Morris–Jumel Mansion, built for a British Army officer, housed both American and British soldiers during the American Revolutionary War? Source: Harrington, John Walker (February 21, 1932). "Many Historic Sites Here Recall Memory of Washington". New York Herald Tribune. p. G1; Shelton, William Henry (1916). The Jumel Mansion: Being a Full History of the House on Harlem Heights Built by Roger Morris Before the Revolution. Together with Some Account of Its More Notable Occupants... History of women. Houghton Mifflin. p. 131
  • ALT3: ... that the Morris–Jumel Mansion, Manhattan's oldest surviving house, was used by both American and British soldiers during the American Revolutionary War? Source: Harrington, John Walker (February 21, 1932). "Many Historic Sites Here Recall Memory of Washington". New York Herald Tribune. p. G1; Shelton, William Henry (1916). The Jumel Mansion: Being a Full History of the House on Harlem Heights Built by Roger Morris Before the Revolution. Together with Some Account of Its More Notable Occupants... History of women. Houghton Mifflin. p. 131
  • ALT4: ... that British Army officer Roger Morris built a New York City mansion that he occupied for only ten years? Source: Gray, Christopher; Braley, Suzanne (2003). New York Streetscapes: Tales of Manhattan's Significant Buildings and Landmarks. Harry N. Abrams. p. 418.
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5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 15:40, 6 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Morris–Jumel Mansion; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• (Reviewing ALT3) QPQ checks out. Hook is interesting. Source checks out, is mentioned in article, is sourced in article, as well as in linked source. Article in good condition. Everything seems good to go! Generalissima (talk) 04:08, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewing this article now. Cielquiparle (talk) 21:34, 22 March 2024 (UTC) Nominator: Epicgenius (talk · contribs)

Reviewer: Cielquiparle (talk · contribs) 21:34, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Criteria

Good Article Status - Review Criteria

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A good article is—

1. Well-written:

(a) the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct; and

(b) it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.

2. Verifiable with no original research:

(a) it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline;

(b) reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose);

(c) it contains no original research; and

(d) it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.

3. Broad in its coverage:

(a) it addresses the main aspects of the topic; and

(b) it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).

4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:

(a) media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content; and

(b) media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.

Notes

Review

1. Well-written:

Criteria	Notes	Result
(a) (prose)	Prose is very clear and accessible.	Pass
(b) (MoS)	Prior issue I raised re: captions has been addressed. Should Earle Cliff be bolded? Not a deal-breaker, just thought I'd raise it.	Pass

2. Verifiable with no original research:

Criteria	Notes	Result
(a) (references)	There are tons of references, meticulously cited. Unfortunately the citation methods aren't entirely consistent within the article. Is it the case that this article is citing books one way, and periodicals in another? Having given it some thought, I'm not convinced that that is a stable solution for this article in the future. Update: This has been improved.	Pass
(b) (citations to reliable sources)	Includes inline citations to reliable sources, handled with care.	Pass
(c) (original research)	There are citations throughout, sometimes multiple citations for a single claim; even the Notes section has footnotes for every sentence. The photographs on Commons have reasonably transparent attribution with clear date stamps, etc.	Pass
(d) (copyvio and plagiarism)	Earwig says a violation is "unlikely" and in the few instances where there were 20+% matches, they generally turned out to be common phrases or long titles of books. Spotcheck of several other sources showed no evidence of close paraphrasing.	Pass

3. Broad in its coverage:

Criteria	Notes	Result
(a) (major aspects)	Very thorough coverage of historical periods from 1765 to present. Interesting to view American history through the lens of this house (although it seemed like the Civil War just happened somewhere way in the distance). Also includes sections on its more recent history as a museum and a separate section on its architecture.	Pass
(b) (focused)	Article seems very focused on the history and architecture of the mansion, as well as its architecture and modern operation as a museum. Architecture sections for old buildings like this sometimes give me pause, because you need to make sure that claims made in older sources aren't presented as though they are necessarily currently true. But this seems to be carefully handled in that section.	Pass

4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.

Notes	Result
Article is neutral in tone, covering centuries of various disputes and changes in ownership. Section on Eliza Jumel is covered sensitively without overegging her eccentricity.	Pass

5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.

Comment	Result
Relatively new and no sign of edit warring or ongoing	Pass

6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:

Criteria	Notes	Result
(a) (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales)	The images are either CC BY-SA 4.0 (with significant contributions from Beyond My Ken and CaptJayRuffins and others) or Public Domain.	Pass
(b) (appropriate use with suitable captions)	Would be better if every external shot of the mansion had a date indicated, given the long history of the building and significant changes (and deterioration) over time. (Not sure if I like look of the caption "(2014)" in parentheses in the infobox, but at least the year is stated there.) Update. This was fixed.	Pass

Result

Result	Notes
Pass	Congratulations and great work on an informative and entertaining article about American history from the lens of the Morris–Jumel Mansion.

Discussion

Thanks for the comments so far @Cielquiparle. Here are my responses:

• For citation style, I generally put a {{cite book}} or {{cite report}} citation in the "Sources" section if two or more page ranges are cited. I've now moved all of the book and report cites to the Sources section regardless of how many times they're cited. All other types of citations remain in the "Citations" section.
• For the captions, I've added some dates to the captions that didn't have them yet.

– Epicgenius (talk) 17:56, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

• Thanks Epicgenius. I will give it a couple more read-throughs and likely pass soon. Your writing in general is so clear I don't really anticipate any issues. But if I had to make a picky comment, it's this sentence I don't like: He entered the house on the night of September 14–15, 1776; the exact date and time of his arrival is unclear. Do you mean the exact time of his arrival is unclear? Or do you mean the date is also unclear because it may have been before midnight or after midnight? If that's the case, I think it's enough to say "time" and not "date" because the date is right there. Otherwise I start wondering if "entering the house" is somehow different in meaning from "arrival", or if he might have arrived on another day completely (date unknown, possibly much earlier) but that the only record we have of his entrance into the house was September 14–15.) Cielquiparle (talk) 20:26, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

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