Talk:Motorized tricycle (Philippines)

Requested move 10 November 2015

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The result of the move request was: moved to Motorized tricycle (Philippines). Bit of a compromise, but most people seemed to at least be OK with it and there was a clear consensus to move away from "Auto rickshaw". Jenks24 (talk) 13:43, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

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Auto rickshaw (Philippines) → Tricycle (Philippines) – The common name policy should be applied here. This vehicle is commonly called as tricycle and nobody calls this as auto rickshaw in the Philippines. Evidence of the commonality is the transport organizations that end with TODA or the Tricycle Operators and Drivers Association. You can find these TODAs in every barangay that have tricycles. Nobody calls them Auto Rickshaw association. If you ask someone in the Philippines that you want to ride an auto rickshaw, they will be clueless. Jojit (talk) 11:26, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose the proposed disambiguator is insufficient, as this isn't about all types of tricycles in the Philippines, only motorized buggies. Therefore it fails WP:PRECISE as pedal powered trikes also exist in the Philippines. Tricycle (Philippine auto rickshaw) or Tricycle (Filipino auto rickshaw) would work -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 08:54, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
• Support Philippine Inquirer has zero hits for "auto rickshaw".[23] There are 13 hits for tricycle. I believe they all refer to this subject. Gulangyu (talk) 11:13, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
• Support, redirect to Motorized tricycle (Philippines), Motorized tricycle (Philippine vehicle), or Motorized tricycles in the Philippines instead. Although , I'm aware that "tricycle" outside the Philippines is assumed to refer to a traditional pedaled bicycle with three wheels instead. In the Philippines the word "tricycle" is assumed to be a motorized tricycle. A pedal powered trikes are referred as pedicabs.

I tried to search usage outside the Philippines. How the motorized tricycle or auto rickshaw in the Philippines are referred to in foreign media.

• • An article from Al Jazeera calls the vehicle "motorized tricycles"
  • Asia One too (notice how pedicabs and "tricycles" are used)
  • Also USA Today
  • Interestingly, Fox News used the term "tricycle taxi"
  • A 2003 article of BBC News used the term "motorcycle taxi"

Motorized tricycle is a better term to refer to the vehicle. Although riding a tricycle in the Philippines similar to riding a taxi (You board a tricycle and the driver can drop you at any reasonable nearby point). "Motorcycle taxi" or "tricycle taxi" seems to be more uncommon than "motorized taxi".--Hariboneagle927 (talk) 04:12, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

• See auto rickshaw for a country-by-country breakdown. "Auto rickshaw" strikes me as an odd thing to call them. They are taxis with two-stroke engines. The numbers of wheels they have is incidental. "Tuk tuk," the Thai name, seems to have caught on internationally. Gulangyu (talk) 14:18, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

• Comment The chosen title needs to include motorized or motorcycle-powered since "tricycle" used by a native speaker as a noun generally implies something ridden by a child.  Philg88 ^♦talk

As mentioned by Philg88 the modifier "motorized" is needed since outside the Philippines, "tricycle" by itself has a different connotation. This is what exactly I am implying. Although I got to add that "tricycle" is a term in Philippine English used to refer to motorized tricycles popularly used in the country as a mode of transport. The Philippine media uses "tricycle" alone to refer to motorized tricycles even Philippine legislation uses the term. See here. Also this, although there were instances that "motorized tricycle" is used instead of just tricycle. "Motorized tricycle" seems to be a longer alternative term for tricycles in the Philippines. However as compromise to speakers of English outside the Philippines which uses the term to refer to children's tricycles by default use "motorized tricycle". Using "rickshaw" reduces the cultural flavor of the subject like calling the calesa, "calash (Philippines)". According to MOS:TIES, "motorized tricycle" may be preferred over "auto-rickshaw". Even "Tricycle (Philippines)" may be sufficient since the word has a different cultural context in the Philippines. Those searching for the generic tricycle usually used by children would most probably search using the term "tricycle" alone and they get directed to Tricyle and not Tricycle (Philippines)Hariboneagle927 (talk) 16:50, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose: It's best to keep the current name to avoid confusion. Ceannlann gorm (talk) 15:33, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
  • Comment: There is already confusion with the current name. Please read my move proposal carefully. In the Philippines, nobody calls this vehicle as auto rickshaw. I'm open with moving this to Motorized tricycle (Philippines) as long as the qualifier "(Philippines)" is there and the term "tricycle" is included. --Jojit (talk) 10:30, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
• "Auto rickshaw" is apparently the British and Indian name for this vehicle.[24][25] Neither Americans nor Filipinos are likely to be familiar with it. The current title suggests it is the Filipino name. The purpose of a title is to tell the reader the name of the subject. The title can't do everything; That's why we have articles. It is not reasonable to expect the title to explain the differences between tricycles in the Philippines and tricycles elsewhere. Gulangyu (talk) 00:15, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
• Support the change as proposed or with the motorized disambiguator, however it seems unnecessary. Either variant would be okay. Tiggerjay (talk) 23:43, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

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