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Motto vs. slogan
edithi How to distinguish a motto from a slogan? Andries
- I think, in terms of heraldry, mottoes can originate from anything. Like from puns, from sayings, from war-cries, from anything. Heraldic slogans are supposed to, at least, represent a war-cry. Other than that, i think they are exactly the same, and serve the same purpose in heraldry.--Celtus (talk) 08:52, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Neutrality
editI have serious doubts about the neutrality of this article, how would I go about tagging it? --Damuna 21:31, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Add {{npov}} to the top, and like it says, explain what you think isn't neutral about it here. Confusing Manifestation 01:52, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
- Oh, and if you were talking about the bit about Knox, I just removed it because it was just vandalism. Confusing Manifestation 01:58, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Would it be useful to have list of mottoes showing
- Motto (say, in Latin)
- Translation (English)
- Family name
as shown, eg in Burke's and Fairbairn's Book of Crests ... Pharrar 11:32, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
"big batty bum-bum" is vandalism, right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 15.251.169.70 (talk) 21:39, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
- Sorry for the slow reply. Yes, good assessment. DBaK (talk) 08:25, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
This is crazy thanks for all the help Tim! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.53.202.99 (talk) 01:09, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
in heraldry
editI was pondering that I might collapse the "Many institutions have mottos" passage in the lede into something like "Any entity with a coat of arms usually has a motto" (hey, I'm still working on the concept!) — then some classes of exceptions hit me. It might be good to add a passage about what sorts of armigerous entities do and don't have a motto.
- Yes: dynasties; governments and their branches and districts; universities ... what else?
- No: officers of church and state (as such; they are likely to have a motto in their private capacity) ... what else?
motto as a grant
editthere is a contradiction in the Scottish heraldry and Motto articles:
- Motto: In English and Scottish heraldry mottoes are not granted with armorial bearings, and may be adopted and changed at will.
- Scottish heraldry: In Scottish heraldry mottoes are considered a component of the grant of arms and can be altered only by re-matriculating the arms. In English heraldry, while a motto is usually illustrated in the patent of arms, with very rare exceptions, it is not included in the verbal grant of armorial bearings.
Yours ever, Czar Brodie (talk) 12:52, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Unusual languages
editHow about the motto of the Prince of Wales: "Ich dien", (I serve) in German? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:1D00:9A80:BD99:7A66:134A:9BAF (talk) 18:37, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
"Retronym" mottoes
editThe motto of the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation, "Fidelity, Bravery, Integrity" was obviously chosen to match the letters FBI. Are there any other such mottoes and a name for this type of motto deliberately chosen to match an acronym? How about a section on this type of motto? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:1D00:9A80:BD99:7A66:134A:9BAF (talk) 18:47, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
- Add the FBI example to the paragraph on puns; no more is needed, I reckon. —Tamfang (talk) 23:42, 14 January 2020 (UTC)