Talk:Mr. Hooper/GA1
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Reviewer: Gabriel Yuji (talk · contribs) 22:47, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
The article seems very close to GA. Which I could find at my first glimpse (more commentaries soon):
- per WP:TENSE, the first sentece should be "is a character" instead of "was".
- I understand that policy, but following it strictly forces you to break the tense rule in English. I think that my changes should be acceptable, though.
- Well, I understand your point too, but WP:WAF, a guideline, says to use present when discussing fiction, and there is even a template regarding it: {{Cleanup-tense}}. It's somewhat discussable, but whenever the guideline is valid, we should follow it. What about the sentece "Mr. Hooper, played by Will Lee since the premiere of Sesame Street in 1969 until his death in 1982, was one of the first four human characters that appeared on the show."? Gabriel Yuji (talk) 23:23, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
- I'm fine with your compromise; made the change.
- Well, I understand your point too, but WP:WAF, a guideline, says to use present when discussing fiction, and there is even a template regarding it: {{Cleanup-tense}}. It's somewhat discussable, but whenever the guideline is valid, we should follow it. What about the sentece "Mr. Hooper, played by Will Lee since the premiere of Sesame Street in 1969 until his death in 1982, was one of the first four human characters that appeared on the show."? Gabriel Yuji (talk) 23:23, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
- I understand that policy, but following it strictly forces you to break the tense rule in English. I think that my changes should be acceptable, though.
- I would suggest to break the first sentence to improve its follow. My suggestion: "Harold Hooper (known as Mr. Hooper) is a character on the American children's television program Sesame Street. Played by Will Lee, he is one of the first four human characters that appeared on the show's premiere in 1969."
- I'd rather stick with my solution, because although both versions break the above-mentioned tense rule, your version repeats the construction of the next sentence, about Stone.
- I understand your point about structure repetition. However, can't you rewrite it in some way? Maybe: "Harold Hooper ,known as Mr. Hooper, is a character on the American children's television program Sesame Street, played by Will Lee. He is one of the first four human characters that appeared on the show's premiere in 1969" (you can even avoid the use of parentheses). Gabriel Yuji (talk) 23:23, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
- I'd rather stick with my solution, because although both versions break the above-mentioned tense rule, your version repeats the construction of the next sentence, about Stone.
- you must link Will Lee at its first occurrence Gabriel Yuji (talk) 22:47, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
- Oops, duh, thanks for the catch.
- link to Captain Kangaroo instead of Captain Kangaroo (host), and italicize it
- I thought about this, and decided to link the host instead of the show because Stone based Mr. Hooper on the character of the Captain, but now that I look at the sentence, it refers to the program. I changed it; let me know if you think the problem has been solved.
- As Captain Kangaroo (host) redirects to Bob Keeshan, and Bob Keeshan is previously linked, so you can remove the link. Your rewrite is good though. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 23:23, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
- Ugh, didn't realize that. Link removed.
- As Captain Kangaroo (host) redirects to Bob Keeshan, and Bob Keeshan is previously linked, so you can remove the link. Your rewrite is good though. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 23:23, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
- I thought about this, and decided to link the host instead of the show because Stone based Mr. Hooper on the character of the Captain, but now that I look at the sentence, it refers to the program. I changed it; let me know if you think the problem has been solved.
- "Death of Mr. Hooper" seems like a redundant tile to me; since the article's title is Mr. Hooper, I think only "Death" is an appropriated header Gabriel Yuji (talk) 01:09, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
- Hmm, I hesitate doing that because the section is about more than the character's death; it's also about the episode and all the research that went into it and its legacy. Also, "Mr. Hooper's Death", although it's not the technical title of the episode (Sesame Street episodes are known by their numbers), it is how it's referred to as. Would putting quotes around the title help?
- Yeah, it would help. But are you saying the correct title is "Mr. Hooper's Death" instead of "Death of Mr. Hooper". Gabriel Yuji (talk) 23:23, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
- No, I was right the first time.
- Yeah, it would help. But are you saying the correct title is "Mr. Hooper's Death" instead of "Death of Mr. Hooper". Gabriel Yuji (talk) 23:23, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
- Hmm, I hesitate doing that because the section is about more than the character's death; it's also about the episode and all the research that went into it and its legacy. Also, "Mr. Hooper's Death", although it's not the technical title of the episode (Sesame Street episodes are known by their numbers), it is how it's referred to as. Would putting quotes around the title help?
Thanks so much for your input thus far; I look forward to more. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 21:40, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
- There is a "Bird Bird" in the article in contrast to several "Big Bird"s. I don't know too much on Sesame Street to say if it's right or wrong. So I'll let you to fix (or not) it.
- Ugh, a typo that got away from me. Thanks for the catch.
- "He gets to Mr. Hooper's picture, saying that he'd give it to him when he returns." WP:ABBR#Contractions Gabriel Yuji (talk) 23:38, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
- Fixed. Thanks again. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 16:03, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
I'm very, very close to pass it, but I've noticed there is a YouTube link. I'm not sure it's a helpful WP:EL, and probably it's a copyright infringement. Other than this, the sources seem fine (reliable) though I can't check the content. But, well, Wikipedia says us to assume good faith; so I see no major hindrances to pass it. Details: Viking Press is probably the correct name for "Viking Penguin". You can link Black Dog & Leventhal Publishers. Remove the zero in "09 December 1982" per WP:BADDATEFORMAT. Nice work! Gabriel Yuji (talk) 22:34, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks. I corrected the last few issues, but not linking Black Dog because I don't believe in linking things in the references sections. That's just an aesthetic choice and not really important to me, so if it's important enough for you, I'm happy to link it anyway. I must admit, I'm a little bummed out about removing the YouTube clip, but I understand the copyright issue, so I went ahead and (regretfully) removed it. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 16:25, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
- It's ok. The major point was the YouTube video. The others were only minor details. And, I'm the one who should thank you, because you've done an excellent work on this one and you've been done a wonderful work on children programs (and in other things, but I think it's the major topic you work on). Also, sorry if I delayed a bit the review (but that's because I've started my classes), and if I was somewhat annoying about details (but, hm, that's the way I am... haha). Gabriel Yuji (talk) 19:11, 27 March 2014 (UTC)