Talk:Mrkonjić Grad incident
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The tone of the article is inappropriate; it recounts the whole thing breathlessly, as though this were some kind of thriller novel. Will fix and remove warning afterward.
Who won?
editI say it was indecisive; the Serbian goal was not to shoot down planes as much as it was to capture Americans to use as barganing points. Three U.S. Army soldiers were seized by Bosian Serbs as well. O'Grady evaded and was rescued under fire. One can argue that the U.S. won - but the Serbs have lost so much in the last 20 years they are victory-hungryGABaker (talk) 19:55, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
What the
editThe article does not give any background for the incident. What were those pilots doing in Bosnia? Why would Serbs fire on a U.S. aircraft? What would've happened to O'Grady if he were captured? I guess I could find out on my own, but it can't hurt to have an intro / background section. --Itinerant1 10:04, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
How is this a Serb military victory? Or anyones military victory? A plane was shot down and the pilot evaded capture and was rescued. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.195.8.81 (talk) 22:20, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
And how in the hell is Mrkonjic supposed to be pronounced with only TWO vowels present???65.69.81.2 (talk) 14:44, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
- That's the miracle of Eastern European languages. Jddriessen (talk) 13:40, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
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Possible Copyright Violation
editParagraphs 2 and 3 of the The incident section seems to be partially rewritten versions of paragraphs 9 and 10 from F16.net article listed under External links. They are not exactly the same but they are pretty close. - Wgsimon (talk) 01:28, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Name
editSo, who calls it "the Mrkonjić Grad incident"? The name of this place barely appears in English sources, let alone in connection with this event. There doesn't seem to be a standard name in the US other than "Scott O'Grady rescue" (or "rescue of ..."). But this is not the name it is known by. --Dhartung | Talk 22:02, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Ambiguous statement/date
editThe line "On 14 August, a USAF MQ-1 Predator UAV was shot down in the same area, exposing the increasing effectiveness of Bosnian Serb antiaircraft units.[1][2]" doesnt say what year this supposedly took place and the references are a bit vague... Can anyone clean this up? Jddriessen (talk) 13:38, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Hypothermia?
editIn june month?
- Yes, in June. It doesn't have to be freezing for one to suffer hypothermia. Hypothermia is when the body's core temperature falls below 95°F. 72.255.36.118 (talk) 03:41, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
If it is in June, how come the picture at the museum states he was shot down on May 2. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.87.19.214 (talk) 19:39, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
Copyright problem removed
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Rephrased court case summary of O'Grady v. Fox & Discovery Communications. Court case decisions are not copyright protected, but in the public domain. You can't copyright the Constitution, either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pudding30 (talk • contribs) 23:25, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
Almost as good as Hollywood version
editThe guy was a lousy pilot taken down with a stone age anti-aircraft system in broad daylight and later used as a "hero" for propaganda purposes. Judging by the way it is described in the article one could think he crossed the Siberia on foot, while being hunted by Predators and Alienz. With their stolen unhatched offspring hidden in his survival kit bag... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.222.139.35 (talk) 20:02, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
I do agree that this article may perhaps be described as "colourful", I mean, "he put to good use the lessons learned during...", "US Air Force had taught him", "was choreographed from above" this is hardly encyclopedic language, all it really needs now is a good soundtrack. For reasons of largely related to tone, I've added the cleanup tag. Unfortunately I don't know enough about this to comfortable make contributions to the article. JamesGrimshaw (talk) 12:15, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
Move discussion in progress
editThere is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Banja Luka incident which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 15:14, 21 October 2012 (UTC)