Talk:Muhammad/GA2

GA Reassessment

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My issue with this being classed as a 'good article' is that I feel that the 'Other Views' section appears somewhat dismissed. I believe that this section ought to be either expanded, or deleted. At present, the reader may simply read the extensive section on Muslim views, then scroll down and see a one-liner on 'other views', which understandably can cause anger or upset, should they fail to see the views states in the Western and European views section. I would suggest that, were this section to be expanded, it include references to some of the portrayals of Muhammed by non-Muslims which demonstrate some popular opinion.

I would be interested to know what people think. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cwarner7264 (talk • contribs) 28 September 2010

Are we reading the same article? "Other views" isn't a 1 liner.

"Other views" gives extensive coverage of European and Western views, just below the section on Muslim views. "Other views" then goes further to elaborate on views in other religious traditions, ending with a one-liner section about criticism of Muhammad, which could easily be moved to a "See also" section. ~Amatulić (talk) 16:33, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

As Amatulic points out, the section on "Other views" provides a reasonable level of content, it is the "Criticism" subsection that is brief to the point of bluntness. I am the one who added that subsection a few weeks ago and I had deliberately left it short due to the controversial nature of the subject. On review, it is admittedly too short to provide useful context for the link to Criticism of Muhammad, which was my original intent. Would it be better to expand the content and context, or simply reduce the link back down into the "See Also" section? I suspect it is information that readers will specifically look for and should probably be expanded, but I'm reluctant to increase the article's exposure to more contentious editing than it already sees. Either way, I don't want my clumsy editing to be responsible for lowering the overall quality of the article so I will certainly bow to consensus! Doc Tropics 20:31, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

One way to flesh out the Criticism section is to re-state or paraphrase the lead from Criticism of Muhammad which is supposed to provide an overview of the rest of the article. Unfortunately, it doesn't. It fails to summarize the article adequately. Until the lead in Criticism of Muhammad is fixed, I don't see the point of trying to summarize it in the Muhammad article. Therefore, I think the link to Criticism of Muhammad should be relegated to the "See also" section for now. ~Amatulić (talk) 22:44, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Good point; I've removed the subsection pending a rewrite of the intro to the main Criticism article. Thanks, Doc Tropics 23:43, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

GA reassessment / Original research

I have commented on the article talk page regarding the original research that is currently in this article. No article with original research has any business being a good article. 2tuntony (talk) 19:06, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Your understanding of the OR policy appears significantly flawed. In no circumstances does an internal link to another WP article constitute Original Research; your assertion is simply wrong. Doc Tropics 19:17, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

No, it isn't. This article obviously has a number of editors who blindly stick up for each other, which, in itself poses a problem to a GA. 2tuntony (talk) 19:21, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Here's what it says: "Not all Muslims believe Muhammad to be the last prophet. For example the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community considers Mirza Ghulam Ahmad to be a prophet also." There is no WP:RS used to back up this claim. If I follow what you are saying, then I may add the following statement to the article: "The Nation of Islam considers Elijah Muhammad to be a prophet as well. In addition, Louis Farrakhan has claimed to be a prophet of Muhammad." I take it you will have no objection if I insert this claim as a reference. 2tuntony (talk) 19:28, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Actually, there is a parallel reference which directly backs the statement. You can't footnote a footnote. Additionally, I would consider the Nation of Islam to be another example of an Islamic group that believes there have been prophets since Mohammed. Go ahead and add that case to the footnote if you wish. These seem to be fairly direct parallels to the Mormons, who some claim are not Christians.—Kww(talk) 19:35, 2 October 2010 (UTC)