Talk:Murder of Odin Lloyd

Title

Should this article be entitled Odin Lloyd and, thus, be a biography of Lloyd? Or should it be entitled Death of Odin Lloyd and, thus, be an article about his murder more so than his biography? Thoughts? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 03:57, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Probably none of them. Assuming the article needs exist at all (and I'm certainly NOT conceding that point), then per WP:BLP1E, he was a low-profile individual notable for a single event. Perhaps Death of... or Murder of... would be more appropriate, or even as a sentence or two in the Aaron Hernandez article is all that is needed at this time. --Jayron32 05:10, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

A bio of the individual is not warranted, in my opinion. His murder, however, is a huge deal via the involvement/arrest (and NFL career downfall) of Hernandez. Which is why I made the above suggestion (i.e., rename this so that it is an article about the death/murder and not a bio of Lloyd). Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 19:35, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Done. As the policy states, "be bold"! :)AlaskaMike (talk) 05:25, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 03:28, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Citations

I went through and added content/citations to this piece - I do think it's notable enough to warrant an article as it is about a semi-pro football player who was in the news, even before his death - but some of the citations are showing up multiple times at the bottom. I'm not sure how to fix that, can someone else who knows how to make each citation only appear once fix that? 09:18, 28 June 2013 (UTC)AtlasBurden (talk)

Expansion needed

This really needs a lot more detail (especially from the Aaron Hernandez article). Samer (talk) 05:00, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

I very much agree with that; there is not much background, nor information from the trial about motive, or what was the evidence that justified conviction. Unfortunately, these types of problems are endemic in some Wikipedia articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:645:4301:ADC0:E469:EF44:F2F5:B877 (talk) 23:40, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

user:Deweypants Contributions

I created this article under the name Odin Lloyd.Deweypants (talk) 20:09, 4 July 2013 (UTC)user:DeweyPants

WP:NOTNEWS/WP:NEVENT

What's the lasting significance of this event ? LGA _talk^edits 11:09, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Citing from the guideline page you linked in the headline: "A violent crime, accidental death, or other media events may be interesting enough to reporters and news editors to justify coverage, but this will not always translate into sufficient notability for a Wikipedia article.". So this article should be deleted, and only mentioned in the Aaron Hernandez main article. Above all it doesn't seem to have lasting impact.--Gciriani (talk) 23:40, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

*Strong keep* The event is a notable murder which brought down the NFL career of Aaron Hernandez, if not leading him to spend his life in prison. There has been significant and lasting news coverage of the event, both inside and outside of the sports community. (For which there are presently 23 references cited in this article) His trial is likely to also be heavily covered. Keep, as a relevant and important piece of sports history. Juneau Mike (talk) 15:40, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Accomplices

I am not 100% sure, but I thought that two women were charged with helping Hernandez somehow in the aftermath of the murder. Perhaps it was for hiding or destroying evidence. Perhaps it was for lying to the police. The two women were his girlfriend and his cousin. This is important info and should be placed in the article. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 21:27, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Photo

So there is a photo of the murder suspect but not of the victim. Sensationalism? A Natural Born Killers inspiration by any chance? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.42.92.169 (talk) 10:04, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Double mention

The first paragraph and the second section both state essentially the same thing about Lloyd playing for the Boston semi pro team since 2007. Shouldn't one be removed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.115.233.210 (talk) 03:49, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

distance between Massachusetts Correctional Institution – Cedar Junction and Gillette Stadium

both Massachusetts Correctional Institution – Cedar Junction and Murder of Odin Lloyd (this article) mention the distance between the prison and Gillette Stadium. Prison article says it is "mile and a half north-west of" the stadium; this article (on the murder) says 3.4 miles. Maybe one is birds eye and one is driving distance? anyway, we should find a way to be consistent. --Jeremyb (talk) 20:05, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Reason for murder???

Has it ever come out why the murder took place? Or why Hernandez said "You can't trust anybody these days" (I think those are his words). Just wondering the "why" this guy got killed. Drugs? Money? Fooling around with somebody else's girlfriend/fiance/wife??? Business dispute??? is there at least any scuttlebutt in the press??? Thanks in advance to anybody who knows.Betathetapi545 (talk) 07:39, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

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When did Aaron Hernandez commit suicide?

We are sure of the date that prison officials found him; we are sure of the date on which he was pronounced dead. All of this was on April 19, 2017. However, I don't think we know the actual date of the suicide. It may have been April 18. And, quite frankly, it probably was. Do sources say anything about this? The article says that he committed suicide on April 19. We don't know that. The article should say that he was found on April 19. Thoughts? Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 02:59, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

The article lead says that "[o]n April 19, 2017, at 3:05 am Hernandez was found dead". It does not say that's when he committed suicide; and what it says is what our sources report. General Ization ^Talk 03:05, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

I changed the text in the body to add the bold portion: "On April 19, 2017, at around 3:05 am, Hernandez was found to have committed suicide by hanging himself in his prison cell. The lead was already correct. General Ization ^Talk 03:05, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

@General Ization: Thanks. We have the same exact problem in the Aaron Hernandez article. And I have brought this matter to that Talk Page as well. See here: Talk:Aaron Hernandez#When did he commit suicide?. In the Aaron Hernandez article, it says that "he committed suicide on April 19". And, again, we do noty know that to be the case. We know only that he was found on April 19 and that he was pronounced dead on April 19. As to when he actually killed himself, it could have been April 18 or April 19. I don't think we know. And I don't think that sources have reported this. So, both articles need to state the facts accurately. Thoughts? Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 15:26, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Agree - General Ization ^Talk 15:29, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

@General Ization: Thanks. I was thinking. Hernandez was found to have committed suicide by hanging himself in his prison cell. That bold part is a bit clunky and unwieldy. It might be better to say "he was found", in one sentence. And then follow that up with a second sentence, indicating that "the death was ruled a suicide". The present wording does not read "easily". Just my opinion. Thanks Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 17:33, 24 April 2017 (UTC) 17:32, 24 April 2017 (UTC)