Talk:Murray Waas

Criticism of Clinton administration reporting

Thought it was highly relevant (and more than fair to say as well) that several conservative media outlts (and prominent ones at that) such as the now defunct Weekly Standard and Wall Street Journal editorial pages severely criticized Waas' reporting of the Clinton administration as well as the whole impeachment saga. Also thought that commentary by the Washington Post about this was notable as well. There was also praise by other outlets of the same work, which can be added later, to add balance to this addition to the entry, but there already is one such example already in there. quoting a story in the American Journalism Review.

Vandalism

This article appears to be encountering vandalism by anon. IP add. user(s). Please see the editing history for evidence of previous administrative blocking of one of the anon. IP user addresses. The other anon. IP user address seems to be engaging in the same sort of deletions. This is supposed to be an encyclopedia article, not a self-promotional advertisement for the subject masquerading as an encyclopedia article: Wikipedia:Spam. Please see guidelines and policies linked in Wikipedia WP:BLP and particularly WP:BLP#Public figures. Thank you. --NYScholar 18:24, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Following the vandalism report on AIV on 30 June I have semiprotected this article for seven days. Spartaz ^Humbug! 10:22, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Have alerted the above administrator to the recurrence of problems with this article. The article began to have multiple problems again violating Wikipedia:Neutral point of view after the same anon IP user and another user became engaged in edit war it seems. Reverted to prior state before that occurred. Each change needs scrutiny for both neutrality and also proper sourcing to reliable and verifiable sources: WP:BLP#Reliable sources and "full citations" are necessary, not external links: see WP:V#Sources and WP:CITE. --NYScholar 22:32, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

References

There is no need to list every item already cited as a source in the References list. If the item does not match the subheading, it is not to be listed there. --NYScholar 00:27, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I removed Lasica from References list; it is not primarily about Waas. See the subheading "articles about and interviews with Waas". --NYScholar 00:30, 20 August 2007 (UTC) (I'll work on format and re-add it in a bit.. --NYScholar 00:35, 20 August 2007 (UTC))

There are format problems being introduced in this article by recent edits that do not match the prevailing format of the article. --NYScholar 00:30, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I worked on trying to correct some of them. It is very time-consuming to do that; please follow the format before adding the items. Thank you. --NYScholar 00:42, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Questionable items listed in References

• Boyd,Jim. "Editorial Pages: Why Courage is Hard to Come Find." Niemann Reports, Summer 2006.

[See the editing summary.] --NYScholar 00:55, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

References are supposed to include sources that have been checked and verified and are capable of being verified by other Wikipedia users and that have been used in the article; or they can be listed as "Further reading" if they have not been. What is that source? Link for it? --NYScholar 00:57, 20 August 2007 (UTC) Is there a typographical error in the title as given? --NYScholar 00:57, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

The list of references is getting unwieldy. Please don't just list everything that mentions Waas. If the reference is being used as a source in the article, you need to create a source citation to a statement in the text that refers to it. Please also use proper punctuation (prevailing format: WP:CITE. Thanks. --NYScholar 06:34, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Please discuss potentially-contentious or controversial changes before making them

See Wikipedia:Guidelines for controversial articles. --NYScholar 00:59, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

For some discussion related to this article and a content dispute with Wikipedia by an anon IP user relating to it, please see User talk:NYScholar/Archive 15. I have no time to continue this discussion here or in my current talk page. I am simply referring one to that prior discussion. Thank you. --NYScholar 16:31, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

My changes to this article since that discussion relate to it. --NYScholar 16:32, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Updated changes also relate to that discussion, which continued on my current talk page. That discussion will also be archived in archive 15 (see above link). I have removed an article disputed by user concerned about potential libel of Murray Waas. Until this matter is resolved by Wikipedia, the article is being deleted from Murray Waas. There are also comments posted in the article itself which claim its unfairness to the subject and also some comments posted there that might qualify as potential libel (they involve name-calling); As Waas himself discusses the article in his own already-cited blog post, the article is accessible via that blog post. There is no necessity for this Wikipedia article to cite it, given the potential for the subject's claim of libel against him. Wikipedia is not a tabloid newspaper, it does not sanction the posting of tabloid journalism in articles about living persons, and it is not a blog. For such information about living persons, readers can do their own original research. But Wikipedia is not the place for original research: WP:NOR or for promulgating personal attacks on subjects of biographies of living persons or on the authors of articles about them.

The whole matter (a controversy between the subject of this article and writers of a Washington, D.C. alternative newsweekly) is more safely being deleted from this article. For more information about WP:BLP, please consult the policy project page (just linked). For the dispute about this article that has been deleted, please consult the talk pages of various editors (see editing history for user talk page links). Thank you. --NYScholar 00:41, 27 August 2007 (UTC) [tc & threaded] --NYScholar 21:31, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

There was a "third opinion" sought and received in May 2007: see User talk:Ovid Plastering. The discussion that occurred on my talk page post-dates that. See User talk:NYScholar/Archive 15 and current page User talk:NYScholar. Thank you. --NYScholar 23:55, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Discussion related to this matter and more recent editing history pertaining to it may be found in response to a comment posted by another user, with my replies, now archived in User talk:NYScholar/Archive 20#Re: Murray Waas (scroll down to May 15, 2008 comments posted by Accurateinfo4). --NYScholar (talk) 22:26, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of entry in References list

See editing summary and prev. editing summaries and above comments: Please do not insert articles into References that are not used as sources in this article and that do not discuss its subject (Murray Waas). Thank you. The removed entry (with typographical and format errors corrected is), which I have accessed, checked and read, is:

• Lewis, Anthony. "Abroad at Home: Who Fed This Caesar?" New York Times , March 15, 1992. Accessed August 23, 2007. (TimesSelect subscription required.)

--NYScholar 17:21, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

The subject of that article is not Waas and it does not belong listed in a References section now entitled: "Pertinent articles about and interviews of Waas". --NYScholar 17:23, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry--I re-read the article more slowly and found the ref. to Waas et al. I'm putting it back in the section for that reason. I'll also delete a talk page notice re: this from a user's talk page in a moment. Sorry again. Thanks. Please do, however, create editing summaries in edits. It is problematic not to do so. Thanks again. --NYScholar 17:31, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Length of References list

Re: Items being accrued here: most are not cited in the article as sources; accruing such a long list of references, where, in some cases, only a very brief mention of the subject (Waas) occurs, is not warranted. The subject (Murray Waas) is not notable enough to warrant this long a list of references for what is otherwise a relatively-short biography. [Especially when the list is overpowering the text.] Thank you. --NYScholar 22:40, 25 August 2007 (UTC) [Added. --NYScholar 22:42, 25 August 2007 (UTC)]

WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 15:56, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Date of birth

What is the date of birth of Murray Waas? The format for dates of birth is within parentheses "(born ...) to have [month day, year] with links; if one knows the date of birth, please supply it within the parentheses in the article or in the talk page of the article so that another editor can add it within parentheses according to WP:MOS. Thanks. --NYScholar (talk) 07:18, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Prior to editing, please consult previous discussions and template messages at top

Please see espec. Wikipedia:Controversial articles, WP:BLP, and WP:CITE (as per template messages above) and #Please discuss potentially-contentious or controversial changes before making them (section above). Thank you. [Updated.] --NYScholar (talk) 22:53, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Removed slew of articles from Bibliography per WP:NOTDIR

Pertinent selected articles about and interviews of Waas

• Baker, Russ W. "Iraqgate: The Big One That (Almost) Got Away: Who Chased It and Who Didn't". Columbia Journalism Review, March/April 1993. Accessed August 19, 2007.
• Boyd, Jim. "Editorial Pages: Why Courage Is Hard to Find". Nieman Reports (Nieman Foundation for Journalism of Harvard University), Summer 2006 ("Reflections on Courage: United States"). Accessed August 19, 2007
• "FDL Book Salon Welcomes Murray Waas and Jeff Lomonaco". Online posting by "Jeff". Firedoglake (blog), June 10, 2007. Accessed June 20, 2007. (Online interview with Waas and Lomonaco.)
• Froomkin, Dan. "A Compelling Story" Washington Post.com, March 31, 2006. Accessed August 19, 2007.
• Goodman, Amy, "Ex-Cheney Chief of Staff Lewis 'Scooter' Libby Convicted of Perjury, Obstruction in CIA Leak Trial". Interview with Murray Waas and Marcy Wheeler. Democracy Now!, March 7, 2007. Accessed June 20, 2007.
• Gootman, Elissa L. "Goldsmith Prizes Awarded: Top Investigative Reporting Teams Rewarded by $25,000". The Harvard Crimson, March 26, 1993. Accessed August 21, 2007.
• Halloran, Liz. "A Muckraker's Day in the Sun". U.S. News and World Report, May 15, 2006. Accessed April 29, 2007.
• Hertzberg, Hendrick. "Comment: Floor War". The New Yorker, December 5, 2005. Accessed August 20, 2007.
• Kurtz, Howard. "The Lone Ranger: After a Quarter Century in the Journalistic Shadows, Murray Waas Is Getting His Day in the Sun." The Washington Post, April 17, 2006. Accessed June 20, 2007.
• Kurtz, Howard. "Writer Sat on His Own Life and Death Story". The Washington Post, June 25, 2006. Accessed August 19, 2007.
• Lasica, J. D. "The Web: A New Channel for Investigative Journalism: Salon's Groundbreaking Stories on the Ken Starr Investigation Challenge the Conventional Wisdom Laid Down by the Mainstream Media's Wolfpack Mindset". American Journalism Review, June 1998. Accessed August 19, 2007.
• Lewis, Anthony. "Abroad at Home; Trust". New York Times, October 26, 1992. Accessed March 26, 2008.
• –––. "Abroad at Home; Who Fed This Caesar?" New York Times, March 15, 1992. Accessed March 26, 2008.
• Lewis, Claude. "See the Mighty Fall: Investigative Reporting Has its Rewards". Philadelphia Inquirer, October 10, 1988: A13. Accessed August 24, 2007. (Abstract. Archive account required for access to full text.)
• Rosen, Jay. "Murray Waas Is Our Woodward Now". PressThink (blog), April 9, 2006. Accessed June 20, 2007.
• Sargent, Greg. "The Plame Game: What Murray Waas' Big Scoop May Really Tell us About Bush's Pre-war Deceptions". The American Prospect, April 4, 2006. Accessed August 20, 2007.
• Schanberg, Sydney H. "Press Clips: If Old Journalism Dies... Where Will New Media Get the News?" The Village Voice, November 29, 2005. Accessed August 20, 2007.
• Scheer, Robert. "Finally, A Yuppie Failure". Online Journalism Review (Annenberg School for Communication at USC), July 21, 1998. Accessed August 22, 2007.
• Shaw, David. "Iraqgate--A Case Study of a Big Story With Little Impact: Despite Hundreds of News Reports, No Public Outrage Has Erupted Over Secret Aid to Iraq". The Los Angeles Times, October 27, 1992. Accessed August 19, 2007.
• Welch, Matt. "Salon's Coverage Commands Respect for Net Journalists". Online Journalism Review (Annenberg School for Communication at USC), March 30, 1998. Accessed August 26, 2007.

Drmies (talk) 02:12, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Factbox

Did long overdue fact box with a picture in, long overdue for an article of this detail and length. But despite my best attempt, the picture ended up on the far right of the fact box inside of in the middle-- so looks bad. Not sure how to fix--- and place photo in the center. Hope someone here knows how to and does.

Also, in adding picture, accidentally added it to the notes and footnotes section, but unsure how to delete it from there. Was hoping that someone would know how and do it! thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cathradgenations (talk • contribs)

Wanted to Upload Picture

I was hoping for help from someone to upload a picture to the fact box of the article. I tried successfully once before but it was temporarily taken down because I did not make clear I took the picture and did want to claim copyright for it. I went up on Wikipedia Commons, I believe, attested to the fact that the photo was mine, and then listed it is a universal property. But haven't been able to figure out how to repost it to the box. Was hoping someone could show me or help me do it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bromstead (talk • contribs) 22:35, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

DOB questionable=

I find the DOB questionable. if it is 1971 as stated he was a Pulizer finalist at 22? That should have generated some coverage. I don't think his personal Facebook page is a sufficient source. --66.108.216.153 (talk) 14:08, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Murray Waas and Idi Amin

It's possible that Murray Waas was born in 1971. It's possible that Murray Waas worked on columns that led to Idi Amin's downfall, when Waas was 18 or 19. It's certain that Idi Amin was deposed in 1979.

All three of these things can't be true at the same time. Either Murray wrote the columns when he was 8 or 9 or he was not born in 1971, or there is an even deeper problem with the veracity of this item, and perhaps others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.118.83.250 (talk) 00:32, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

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