Talk:Museum of Biblical Art (New York City)

Museum of Biblical Art in Dallas

How does the Museum of Biblical Art in New York City relate to the Museum of Biblical Art in Dallas, Texas? Both museums appear to be notable. Verbcatcher (talk) 03:03, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

As far as I no, no more relationship than any other 2 art museums. I put up a page Museum of Biblical Art (Dallas).E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:56, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Naming the page

MOBIA has a curator, but no building, no permanent collection. Dallas has a permanent collection, a building, and a curator. Formally, they have the same name: Museum of Biblical Art. I wonder if they should more properly be Museum of Biblical Art (Dallas) and Museum of Biblical Art (New York) with a disambiguation page.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:03, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

I agree. I saw that you made this change a few weeks ago, and that it was reverted by User:Epicgenius with a comment referencing WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. It is not clear to me that this justifies the reversion. Indeed, later in the cited article it says: As discussed above, if an ambiguous term has no primary topic, then that term needs to lead to a disambiguation page. In other words, where no topic is primary, the disambiguation page is placed at the base name (WP:2DABS). This appears to support your proposal. We could invoke the requested moves process to request a controversial move, but it may be better to try to reach a consensus here. Verbcatcher (talk) 01:16, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

We can be more specific by renaming this article Museum of Biblical Art (Manhattan), which is more precise. However, if this article's subject is the primary usage of the term "Museum of Biblical Art", then the article can stay at that title "Museum of Biblical Art". Epic Genius (talk) 03:11, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

The argument is that the primary usage of the term Museum of Biblical Art is neither the Museum in New York nor the Museum in Dallas. These appear to be separate museums of similar notability. If there is no primary usage then Museum of Biblical Art should lead to a disambiguation page, per WP:2DABS. Whether we specify New York, New York City or Manhattan is a separate issue, for which there may be a convention. Verbcatcher (talk) 04:43, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Media references to Museum of Biblical Art follow the name with in New York, in Manhattan, or in Dallas. Unsurprisingly, MOBIA is heavily covered by New York media, MBA by Dallas and Houston media. There is a flurry of recent articles about MOBIA, triggered by current loan exhibit (sculpture form the Duomo in Florence, and by the fact that it has lost its lease. An MBA flurry in 2011 when MBA unveiled an posh, new building. Ongoing coverage of visiting exhibition at both museums use name Museum of Biblical ArtE.M.Gregory (talk) 18:03, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

• What is the next step here?E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:03, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

You should not re-undo another users undo of a title change, see WP:RMUM. So I am issuing a move request, following WP:RM#CM. Verbcatcher (talk) 20:48, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 25 March 2015

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved (non-admin closure)  — Amakuru (talk) 09:51, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

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Museum of Biblical Art → Museum of Biblical Art (New York) – Not the primary usage of "Museum of Biblical Art" because there is another museum of the same name: Museum of Biblical Art (Dallas). Verbcatcher (talk) 20:48, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Please see the discussion in the Naming the page section above. Verbcatcher (talk) 20:54, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Support GregKaye 23:30, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

SupportE.M.Gregory (talk) 01:28, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

• Support the current title should be a disambiguation page -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 04:44, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
• Support - Current title can be a disambigution page, that lead to the two articles in Dallas and New York. CookieMonster755 (talk) 19:35, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
• Support move to Museum of Biblical Art (New York City) or Museum of Biblical Art (Manhattan). The title needs to be more specific. The suffix "(New York)" is only used for articles about locations outside NYC. Support making this a disambiguation page. Backlinks can be fixed using User:Qwertyytrewqqwerty/DisamAssist.js because of high rates of backlinking. Epic Genius (talk) 18:43, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

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