Talk:Myoui Mina

Suggest merge with Twice (band).

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a

Merge Proposal and / or Redirect. Please do not modify it.
The result of the request for the Proposed Merger of Myoui Mina into the Twice (band) article was: Consensus Reached–Awaiting Merge per Wikipedia NotabilityGuidelines.
Proposer @Katzenlibrary: or other interested party should proceed with the merge.

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• Support. I propose that Myoui Mina be merged with Twice (band). There is not enough notability for Mina on her own to warrant a separate page. Her background can instead me summarized in a sentence or so on the Twice page. Katzenlibrary (talk) 15:25, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose. Twice is a fast growing K-pop band and have had a lot of controversy lately. To have track on each members I propose to have different sites for all of them. There are singers with not enough notability, but as Twice is a rookie group and fast growing, I propose to keep Myoui Mina - page. PSherzad (talk) 16:00, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Even groups that have been popular for years don't have pages for each member. What about Mina makes her notable enough to warrant her own page?Katzenlibrary (talk) 15:30, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Twice is a fast growing band overall, and she is one of the members gaining fame. Making a wiki page for her gives the fans more information about her. I don't see why not having a wiki page for her alone? Tell me the problem, and I will rethink my statement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PSherzad (talk • contribs) 17:23, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

The biggest issue is that she doesn't meet notability guidelines: WP:N. She is only notable as a member of Twice and her contributions to the band are fully covered in the Twice article. As much as I'd love for each of the members to have their own articles, they haven't done anything yet to warrant them having their own page (except for Tzuyu due to the flag scandal). Even more successful bands do not have pages for each member unless that member has done something note-worthy on their own (acting career, solo debut, etc.), and Mina hasn't.Katzenlibrary (talk) 22:19, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

I see, and thanks for pointing out why she can't have a page for herself. However, may I ask why this girl may have a page for herself then?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuka_Nakamoto — Preceding unsigned comment added by PSherzad (talk • contribs) 10:34, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

I don't really work on j-pop pages, but looking at her article I think I can see why she has her own page. Before becoming a member of Babymetal, she was a member of two other girl groups, one of which was marketed as the little sister group of Perfume. She also has a voice acting credit. Her notability falls outside of just her Babymetal activities, so I can see why she'd be warranted a separate page. As for Mina, like I said I hope that she will have a separate page one day, but for now there is no need for it.Katzenlibrary (talk) 23:29, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Hello, this time someone helped with filling this page. I hope you respect the decision of ours to keep this page running. I think other people also find it helpful knowing her better. Twice doesn't mention Mina's life before and after becoming a trainee for JYPE. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PSherzad (talk • contribs) 23:42, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

I don't think a consensus to keep or merge the page has been reached yet...Katzenlibrary (talk) 23:45, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

• Support merge. Mina is not yet independently notable outside of Twice. Random86 (talk) 01:48, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose. Twice is a fast growing girl group in South Korea . Every member should have a wiki page for the fans to know them better. Mina is one of the famous members of the group. Twice wiki article doesn't state Mina's ballet training years, her dad being a famous alumnus in a university in Osaka, and became a professor orthopedics at the university hospital, 11 years of training in ballet and being the member who has the shortest training period, which is only 1 year. I got that in a Korean article. Since not all the international fans know hot to read Korean, I propose to keep Myoui Mina - page so that the international fans will know her better. Kimberly020995 (talk) 12:19, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

• Support She needs more individual activities like dramas, films and a solo career to be notable. Rockysmile11^(talk) 06:01, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

• Strong support Mina is not yet independently notable outside of Twice. -- Kanghuitari (talk) 08:34, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose : If Mina has notable achievements, she is entitled to have her own page. No harm for not letting her have it.Zxcblavjax (talk) 15:50, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

I agree, however the question is if she has notable achievements outside of Twice, which she doesn't. Katzenlibrary (talk) 17:03, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose : She's a Japanese member of a high profile group, it will only be a matter of time when she'll need her own page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimeous (talk • contribs) 23:12, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

• Support : I think it's too early. Mina has not yet done individual activities. She's always doing activities with the other members. Even Nayeon has more pre-debut and current work than her. And it's a little weird that she has her own page while the other 7 members don't have their own. Accireioj (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 00:06, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

It's not weird that she has her own page. She is quite famous thanks to twice, and it is better to keep this page as in matter of time the other 7-8 members will also get their own page.— Preceding unsigned comment added by PSherzad (talk • contribs)

• Support : Mina does not have enough individual recognition. I support merging Myoui Mina with Twice (band) and suggest having separate paragraphs for each member and their beginnings i.e. how they got into JYP, early life etc., like Red Velvet's page. Once they start getting more popular and have more solo activities, then separate pages can be made. Tzuhyo (talk) 06:04, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

The group is already famous, and to even think that hey got 10 CF deals 1 month after they debuted is shocking. I think it is better to keep this page as they are rising in fame excessively. I don't see any problem with keeping this page anyways, as it doesn't waste anything. Myoui Mina having her own page like Tzuyu is a great achievement for both the fans and herself.— Preceding unsigned comment added by PSherzad (talk • contribs)

• Strong Support She has absolutely no solo work and zero notable activities/ events outside of her group. We do not predict the future fame of people on this site. All her information can be put in a members section on the main page same as other groups do. Peachywink (talk) 19:51, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
• Support Other people who have done more individual activities than her, like for example, acted in shows, released their own songs, do not even have pages because they still don't meet the requirements or they're just included in the group's page if they're a member. It's all about what she's done outside of Twice, and there aren't any except for appearances on random shows and music vids. She might become notable enough to deserve a page in the future but not at the moment. Lonedirewolf 21:33, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

I just edited the members' section Lonedirewolf 01:56, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

I think this is an excellent solution to the issue at hand. It offers background and highlights individual members until their careers reach a status that would warrant an individual page. I would suggest we use these edits as a compromise for the merger of Myoui Mina's page. Katzenlibrary (talk) 22:06, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

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• Oppose. I oppose the idea that Myoui Mina to be merged into twice. I prefer her site to be individual and standalone. In fact, I have drafted an English version of her article using the Chinese version as blueprint. Please allow me quote some analogies, although you may argue my analogy is flawed, I'm confident that my argument is a strong one. In basketball arena, Kobe Bryant has his own individual page too, although he's been with the Lakers his whole basketball career, you don't see name "Lakers" showing up on his own wikipedia page do you? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobe_Bryant(Lakers) doesn't exist, does it? Second reason being she can't be a member of twice forever. Once she quits twice or twice disbands in future, it's be awkward to still associate the twice name with her when she's having life after Twice, for instance her solo career. Another reason being, her other partners in twice did not have the name "twice" in the url. Third reason being, although this is arguable and gamble, I'm confident that her popularity and her solo career would rise to another level given JYPe's brightful and positive overall image(little scandals over the time) and the good environment she's in. The fact that they are the first Kpop girl group to have a tour at Japan's Dome to which the tickets sold out in a flash speaks for itself.

In fact, I've drafted Mina's wiki page in English here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Mina_(Twice). I've been wondering why I can't create her page at this domain instead https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myoui_Mina... Whenever I insert this in my url, im redirected to Twice page instead, haha, never knew this movement exist.— Preceding unsigned comment added by PredatorAssassin (talk • contribs) 15:40, 7 April 2019 (UTC)PredatorAssassin (talk) 15:53, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

@PredatorAssassin: You're three years too late to !vote on this one. Look at the datestamps of the discussion, which closed with agreement to 'merge'. Please sign all your talk page posts with four tildes (~~~~) so everyone knows who said what, and when. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:46, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes:: Are there any rules specifying how long this merging will be in effect? How many years? is it permanent? If not, I'll start a new movement@proposal to overturn and override, haha. Is this doable?PredatorAssassin (talk) 15:58, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

There are no such rules. Either she's notable enough to have her own article or she is not. Looking at the existing draft, there is no evidence of notability outside of the group that is asserted. So she's unlikely to have her own article until she has her own solo career anyway. You should review notability guidelines for musicians first - WP:MUSICBIO. (Also suggest your draft actually have references, otherwise it will be unacceptable for main space) Evaders99 (talk) 21:52, 7 April 2019 (UTC)