Talk:Mystery airship

Move to UFO?

Should this not be moved to UFO? I mean, what is the difference? -Vina 18:28, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)

It is a specific subtype of unidentified object that has several distinguishing properties, including

• the "mystery airship" was only reported during a specific time period (late 1890s), predating the modern "flying saucer" era
• the reported public opinions on the mystery airship(s) differ substantially from those on the general UFO topic page, e.g. it was reportedly more widely felt that the mystery airship was the product of a human inventor rather than an extraterrestrial source(although see Aurora (Texas) for an exception)

-MarkWahl 19:49, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

questionable See Alsos

I am not sure how these particular items deserve to be listed here as See alsos. Kingturtle 08:12, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

See Also

• newspaper hoaxes, such as the earlier Great Moon Hoax of 1835
• Jules Verne's science fiction novel Robur le conquérant of 1886
• Charles Dellschau, artist who drew airship illustrations from 1900 through 1923
• Solomon Andrews, inventor and pilot of the airship Aereon in 1863

Remove "airship" photo?

I dispute that the photo here is of an airship, mysterious or not. It's a cigar sitting on rime ice. See Image_talk:1871UFO.gif. Airminded 15:29, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

The article author has misunderstood the scale of the photo. It is simply an small ice formation, and the thing on it is a box or some kind of instrument used for stereo imaging. Please take this photo down! Dbwick99 (talk) 01:25, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

This is NOT Fake!!

The picture is genuine. We were not sophisticated back in the 1870's to 'doctor up' a picture.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by BrianIsCool2007 (talk • contribs) 18:32, August 21, 2007 (UTC).

Swastika?

It's weird about the 1870 airship photo because nothing's listed that early on the page, and when i examined the picture closer it looked like what appeared to be a swastika on the object. I also think the picture looks like it's taken from the air, so with all that, is it possible this just a picture of a WWII V2 Rocket being passed off as a much older photo? Terminator14 (talk) 06:53, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Charles Dellschau and the Sonora Aero Club are said to date back to 1850, even if the article (rightly) focuses on the main airship waves.

However, the provenance of this picture is iffy and while it is of the date stated there were no initial claims it was of something strange. This article suggests it is actually a train in the snow. (Emperor (talk) 11:35, 1 May 2008 (UTC))

Thank you for that, i just have a strange feeling either way that the picture's fraud, but almost anything's possible. I personally believe something happend, but just what i don't know. It makes more sense to me than most of these modern flying saucer stories. The US Government hides stuff they test (That can be mistaken as a UFO by civilians) all the time, just look at the B-2 Bomber. Terminator14 (talk) 11:50, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Be that as it may the point is that it is probably too old to actually show a swastika, but it is highly debatable whether it is a picture of a phantom airship. It certainly wasn't labelled so at the time and the interpretation that it is a phantom airship came much later and it may not even be the picture of a flying object against clouds.

I'd suggest that making it the main illustration for this, as there are others with better claims - like this from the 1913 lap [1]. I'd suggest going with one of the contemporary illustrations or perhaps one of the Sonora Aero club pictures. I'll have a look around for something. but it may be the 1913 one is the way to go. (Emperor (talk) 15:13, 1 May 2008 (UTC))

So are you saying the picture's too old to see a swastika, or that a swastika on the object isn't possible? If it's the latter, swastika's were around long before Hitler and were originally viewed as a symbol of good luck and such, but you seem to understand alot, so i guess you're saying it's too old to tell. Terminator14 (talk) 01:37, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Well it does a genuinely vintage photograph and some arguments have been put forward to suggest that a swastika on the side would suggest it is a later photograph (of course the swastika is an older symbol but it isn't part of any claims about phantom airship flaps and swastika claims are usually made to suggest a Nazi link). However, I also see no swastika. (Emperor (talk) 13:22, 2 May 2008 (UTC))

I tried a while ago to get this photo removed from wikipedia, because for the first 130 years of its existence nobody thought it showed anything aerial at all, let alone a UFO (can anyone provide a source proving otherwise?) That's because it's a photo of rime ice, with a cigar for scale, taken by Clough and Kimball on Mount Washington in 1870-1. Now I see that the New York Public Library has it online, along with others taken on the same expedition. It's entitled "Frost Architecture", and if you zoom in on the "cloud" the ridges and grooves are definitely too sharp to be a cloud. If it comes to that, why would anyone take a stereograph of a cloud? It would be too far away for any stereo effect to show up. Airminded (talk) 14:05, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

OK, well, unless anybody can offer any good reasons why this photo should remain in this article, I'll remove it ... Airminded (talk) 15:42, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

There's some better pictures out there that don't look as fake. My suggestion use another one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.29.32.136 (talk) 04:15, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

sources

I added the refimprove tag to the article, the only sources that are even defensible are the books by Jerome Clark and Mike Dash and I would argue that since everything those authors publish is fringe and extremely suspect they aren't good sources either. Voiceofreason01 (talk) 20:00, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

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American bias - globalise

This phenomenon was reported across many countries, including some in Europe, South Africa and New Zealand. The article gives the impression it was mainly a US controversy, and gives sparse information about it elsewhere.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.77.85.180 (talk) 23:03, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 May 2020

I would like to add the incident reported on May 6, 1897 in the San Antonio (Texas) Daily Light. The article entitled "The Air Ship" reports a cigar shaped airship landed at Medina Station, Texas (present-day Von Ormy) with two men, one woman and a child on board. The author calls the ship an "air motor" and "air ship" and states the child was sick. A doctor was fetched and the man bought some milk. When the airship departed, someone roped it and was carried up until they let go of the rope. 104.219.136.34 (talk) 01:52, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Graham87 06:40, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Also, you'd need a reliable source that describes this incident as a mystery airship. Graham87 06:40, 4 May 2020 (UTC)