Talk:Nørrebro

Immigrants in Nørrebro

Latest comment: 7 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

I have removed the sentence fragment "with many immigrants living there." First and foremost, its a very relative statement not befitting an encyclopedia. Many compared to where? London? New York? Randers? Hedehusene? Tripoli? Cairo? It says nothing as a statement. If the information is worth anything, perhaps it can be stated in the form of a percentage of population in the area, with a good qualification as to what "immigrant" means (and of course, a citation as to where you get your information from). Perhaps it can even be compared to other areas to show why it is so relevant to make note of it here in this article. --SFDan 13:23, 23 October 2005 (UTC)Reply

I have just added figures. In general believe that the picture that is commonly drawn about Nørrebro as "Nørrebronx" with a predominantly Muslim and non-white migration is just a myth. Fact is that only on sixth of the population has a non-Danish passport (this is very low compared to "migrant boroughs in London or New York), and most of them are EU citizens, mainly from the three neighbor countries: Sweden, Norway and Germany and NOT from Somalia as is often written in newspapers and was even written in this article before. There might be some streets where certain other groups prevail though. 62.44.134.193 (talk) 06:00, 22 April 2017 (UTC)Reply

Removed most of the section on the March 2007 riots

Latest comment: 17 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Because there's already a wikipedia article that deals with the subject March_2007_Denmark_Riots. --Dcfleck 13:07, 2 September 2007 (UTC)Reply

Picture

Latest comment: 15 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

The picture is correct - in that it shows a view of Nørrebro from across the lakes - but it is not, on its own, at all representative of Nørrebro as a whole. Does anyone have more images?Gordoncph (talk) 21:19, 8 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

reliable source available

Latest comment: 10 years ago15 comments4 people in discussion

I am not arguing for the inclusion of this particular piece of text per se, however I would like to point out that the Gatestone Institute article here - that was written by Soeren Kern, a Senior Fellow at the New York-based Gatestone Institute, who is also Senior Fellow for European Politics at the Madrid-based Grupo de Estudios Estratégicos (Strategic Studies Group) - was also published in The Jewish Press newspaper here --IIIraute (talk) 23:53, 9 March 2014 (UTC)Reply

Two sources that seem to share the same viewpoint. Both have an axe to grind and it's the same article, so not a 2nd source making this claim. Dougweller (talk) 06:01, 10 March 2014 (UTC)Reply

Nonetheless, the article was published by a reliable secondary source; see WP:RS. --IIIraute (talk) 06:18, 10 March 2014 (UTC)Reply

That's irrelevant, it's the same article. It's not two sources, it's one published in two different places. Dougweller (talk) 09:38, 10 March 2014 (UTC)Reply

So, as IIIRaute, a third party, has pointed out, the source is reliable. The information is neutrally worded. What other problem apart from WP:IDONTLIKEIT do we have? Typical Dougweller. Sources can be as good as one gets, in case they dare criticize holy cows such as far-left and Muslim immigration, these have to go [1]. And a user like that is a sysop! Lokalkosmopolit (talk) 10:26, 10 March 2014 (UTC)Reply

Putting in another way, 3 editors have reverted you. No one has actually said that the text should be reinserted. What makes Soeren Kern a reliable source for stating that "Nørrebro is also known for Muslim gangs that are extorting shops and bars in Nørrebro and threatening business owners with violence in case they refuse to pay protection money for operating in "Muslim territory." If this is correct, it shouldn't be hard to find a source who isn't a known anti-Muslim, anything like this would get publicity outside the anti-Muslim press. I wouldn't use an anti-Jewish source as a source for Jewish activities either. Dougweller (talk) 11:23, 10 March 2014 (UTC)Reply

Where is the proof that this scholar I cited is ″anti-Muslim″? Simply because he openly writes on taboo topics does not make him anti-Muslim. Lokalkosmopolit (talk) 11:42, 10 March 2014 (UTC)Reply

Source is WP:UGC, content based on it would fail WP:FORUM, and it has a solid track record of being WP:BIASED. For these claims to stand, we need a more reliable analysis than one guy on his soapbox drawing conclusions from a set of well-reported events. For example, just because we've seen a lot of murders committed by Danish people and reported in reliable sources, doesn't mean that journalists making claims like "Danes are murderers" on one or two secondary source sites are therefore credible and should be included in an authoritative article on Denmark. Please, see WP:CONTEXTMATTERS and WP:NEWSORG for what would make this analysis more credible in an encyclopedia. Leondz (talk) 12:09, 10 March 2014 (UTC)Reply

Thank you. In response to Lokalkomopolit, there are no taboo topics. As for Kern, just look what he writes. Eg [2] where he supports the anti-Islam Politically Incorrect website.[3]. Dougweller (talk) 13:05, 10 March 2014 (UTC)Reply

Interesting, you linked this article [4]. How does it show Kern in a bad light? He merely summarized a few very interesting surveys, which reveal following thing: Islam is seen as a negative thing by an overwhelming majority of German people. Kern did not say who is right, he simply pointed out that such studies exist. Nay, he should have falsified those data to paint all Germans eagerly waiting for Sharia law to be inacted, amirite? Now, let us consider the following paragraph:

The study shows that only 34% of the West Germans and 26% of the East Germans have a positive view of Muslims. Fewer than 5% of the Germans think Islam is a tolerant religion. [...] 79% of the Germans believe Islam is "the most violent" religion

Now this nicely rebuffs the attempts of the small corrupt establishment to paint criticism of Islam as fringe far-right racist thinking. It is the fact that the PC view of Islam is supported by mere 5% (!) of people, despite all the propaganda to the contrary. Apart from the small group of brainwashed people, no-one in Germany believes in the myths of tolerant Islam. Lokalkosmopolit (talk) 13:25, 10 March 2014 (UTC)Reply

And there you go again. People who disagree with you are PC, brainwashed, small corrupt establishment, etc. You called me and others "commies" and compared me to bin Laden. On your user page you write " Furthermore, topics like Islamic mass immigration are owned by tag-teams that can violate in impunity all Wikipedia rules because it is very politically correct these days to hate our Western way of life." That's all nonsense. I repeat, if Kern is correct, then you should have no problems finding neutral sources that make the same claims. Although I'm not sure that you believe there are neutral sources. I will however agree that racism in Europe is becoming an increasing problem, as those polls show. Dougweller (talk) 13:39, 10 March 2014 (UTC)Reply

As I said, you are not opposing the additions because they violate the policy of sourcing, but because you don't like the content. What would be the point of giving other sources if you equally erase Peter Tatchell or James Bloodworth of The Independent if they show things you don't like?Lokalkosmopolit (talk) 14:08, 10 March 2014 (UTC)Reply

PS. ″Racism in Europe is becoming an increasing problem″ - may-be yes, may-be no. The source you brought up didn't deal with races or even ethnicity. It's not racism, when practically all people of a country (as we've seen) don't want some odious cult to spread in their countries. Lokalkosmopolit (talk) 14:08, 10 March 2014 (UTC)Reply

Can we stick to this article please. And you are misrepresenting what I said at the other article. And I guess it wasn't racism when so many Germans wanted to get rid of the Jews. Or when you call Islam an 'odious cult'. Dougweller (talk) 14:13, 10 March 2014 (UTC)Reply

79.1%? I think it's too late to stop odius cults from spreading! Religion in Denmark Leondz (talk) 14:29, 10 March 2014 (UTC)Reply

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