Talk:ND-NOTIS

Please, should anyone have articles that refer to ND-NOTIS please provide reference to this. The articles we published e.g. to the BCS where published without the name "NOTIS" mentioned once to avoid advertising. The European Commission even published a report of "End User Systems" that copied the entire ND NOTIS block diagram - unedited.KH Flottorp (talk) 21:35, 31 August 2009 (UTC)KHF 15:58, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

I have "User Manuals" and "Reference Manuals" - with ND publication code, but wonder if this is a valid reference.KH Flottorp (talk)

Beware that SIBAS never was a ND product, it was developed by SI for SRS (Central Institute for Industrial Reseach, Oslo) and Shipping Research Services in Horten (same as the collision impact sensor) - both Norway. SIBAS-R was made only on ND computers, but SIBAS was available on IBM mainframes, DEC and Univac. DEC-10/DEC-20 had a more complete implementation of SIBAS, with full support of "Meta-Fortran" that supported the full "database navigation primitives" proposed by the CODASYL DBTG. J.Salter, the manager that developed NOTIS was a member on the CODASYL DBTG with Wille Ollie (Norwegian Cpmputing Centre). JFH coded most of it, and F.Aschim kept on developing it after JS and JFH joined ND.KH Flottorp (talk) 21:35, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

The best reference I have so far should be the Seybolt Report, by Patricia Seybolt, but all here is on paper.I ask the editors of Wiki that reviews to provide me with guidelines to how to submit old reference, and that they must understand that Norsk Data is past tense - a company that no longer is around. Beware, ND is still servicing the Unique systems in the UK.KH Flottorp (talk) 21:35, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

(Three years later!) I've tagged the article with {{refimprove}}.

• The page at ND Wiki has lists of links to ND manuals, but nothing that backs up the text of this article.
• There's a new reference to a book; if anything in that book backs up what is in the article, then please use {{cite book}} to add footnotes with page numbers.
• If anyone has copies of the relevant Seybold Report, then that can be cited using {{cite journal}}.

Paper sources are fine; sources for Wikipedia articles do not have to be available online, provided they have been published somewhere. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:39, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

I wil remove the "Improve" since nobody has contested the content other than you John. If the ND Wiki does not have a reference to the NOTIS products, its an omission in the ND Wiki, and buntly a gross omission, since the NOTIS was central "horizontal" application, and used in every single vertical market. I will also amend that you find a lot of NOTIS-WP today, since this was the first WYSIG editor, that supported SGML, and NOTIS-MAIL had full support for HTML editing. This is where the engineers at CERN learned about tagged editing that is the foundation for WEB browsing.--KHF 00:07, 5 August 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khflottorp (talk • contribs)

HTML in 1985??

The article states that NOTIS-MAIL had HTML editing in 1985. This is interesting, since the HTML specification was released in 1993 and the first description of HTML was made in 1991. Joreberg (talk) 21:23, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

It presumably references some kind of SGML capabilities but tries to make it "relevant" by referring to HTML instead, since that is what most people are familiar with today. There are other claims in the article that don't really hold up, either. Clearly, this was an interesting suite of software, and the topic of office automation is largely neglected by Wikipedia in favour of things like office suites, again presumably because that is what most people know and/or remember, so some of the claims and associated chronology require a fair amount of work to verify in primary sources outside Wikipedia. Thankfully, the Internet Archive has lots of source material. PaulBoddie (talk) 22:58, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Office Automation

Although Wikipedia's coverage of office automation or electronic office topics seems a bit thin in general, some historical context might be found in the CEO (Data General) and ALL-IN-1 articles which describe similar minicomputer-based systems. Norsk Data appears to have had aspirations to compete with Digital, the supplier of the latter product, and NOTIS was presumably ND's offering along the same lines. PaulBoddie (talk) 22:44, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Also informative is DEC's Competitive Update featuring office systems comparisons with IBM's PROFS and Wang's Alliance products. PaulBoddie (talk) 14:45, 19 August 2024 (UTC)