Talk:NI Railways

Enterprise

So what's the opinion on whether the Enterprise should be included on this page? I know 1 user is totally against it, however NIR own half of the trains, and Irish Rail own the other half, so why should it not be included on here as well as the Enterprise article itself? Jimmy1109 (talk) 12:15, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Mention is made that NIR owns half of the rolling stock and two of the locomotives. However, these are used solely on Enterprise services, which have their own branding, not on NIR services - this article is for the history, stock and services solely provided by NIR. Hammersfan 15/05/08, 13.45 BST

DBSO

The 1979 built DBSO has not even arrived in the country yet, so it should not be listed as operating Portadown-Belfast services. Detailing it as running on the Portadown line in the Current rolling stock table is factually inaccurate, as it has never even sat on NIR track, never mind having operated a service. 81.156.60.162 (talk) 21:33, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Who know's when it will arrive either? Latest info is 2009, but maybe never. Jimmy1109 (talk) 22:30, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Vertically Integrated Operator

NIR is not the sole vertically integrated operator in the UK. There is also the Island Line on the Isle of Wight - the operator there is also responsible for infrastructure. Like NIR, that rail network is physically separated from the network on Great Britain. --jrleighton (talk) 09:35, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

And the SPT Subway in Glasgow, which is entirely vertically integrated. --BentleyCoon (talk) 11:37, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

"is thus one of only two state-owned train operators in the United Kingdom, the other being East Coast."

What about London Underground? Other than subcontracting a few maintenance services, they are clearly state-owned. You could possibly even argue a similar case for Manchester Metrolink. -- Fursday 09:57, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

I disagree, Metrolink may well be a light rail system but we all know its a Tram. London Underground is a rapid transit system, and is uncomparable with NIR. Hence, I think the disputed quote is valid. It is however good to see readers taking a deep interest in this article. --NorthernCounties (talk) 11:36, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I'll concede the Metrolink point, but I would say it's going a bit far to say the London Underground system isn't a train operator. Rapid transit is listed in the train article as a type of train, as well as being mentioned in Rail transport; this suggests to me that the wikipedia consensus is that rapid transit is a variety of railway, and not a separate system of transport. In any event, without qualification, train operator implies anybody operating a train, and LU certainly does that.

In any event, despite them being different types of railway, in many ways I would suggest the LU is a pretty good comparison to the NIR, in that both are substantial networks organised in a manner completely separate to the rest of the UK's rail infrastructure, at all levels - including down to the fact that they are ultimately administered by devolved governments (well, the GLA in LU's case). East Coast, on the other hand, is a minor anomaly that is nationalised only at arms length, on a temporary basis, and continues to run on private track and use private stock. -- Fursday 12:59, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

LU is not a 'mainline' or Heavy rail train operating company. Its a 'metro'/rapid transit service, just like the Tyne & Wear Metro and Glasgow Subway its not a 'mainline' operator. Yes it does share some track with Network Rail lines and it is run by TfL (part of the GLA) but the network make up and infrastructure is completely different. For example LU doesn't have the safety systems 'mainline' operators need by law. So for argument sake just change it to: is thus one of only two Heavy rail state-owned train operators in the United Kingdom, the other being East Coast.Likelife (talk) 15:15, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

I wasn't suggesting a like-for-like comparison between NI Rail and the LU in such technical terms, more a looser analogy based on of scale and significance: NI Railways covers an entire nation, whilst the Underground is a system as complex and busy as many other nation's entire railway systems several times over. The gist of my point being that it would be more encyclopaedicly useful to compare these two sizeable networks than comparing NIR with a temporary and relatively minor anomaly within the UK National Rail system, of which both are entirely separate. -- Fursday 16:37, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

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Does Clipperstown really have two stations? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:5985:E600:3181:6BE8:198:37C (talk) 10:33, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Routes

Does Belfast–Portadown share its entire physical (trackage) route with Belfast-Dublin? I'm not sure why Belfast–Portadown is listed as a seperate physical route if they do. All of the others mentioned seemed to physically be their own routes for most of their length. If Belfast–Portadown does indeed share the route with Belfast-Dublin, perhaps it can be mentioned within the description for Belfast-Dublin instead of being treated as a physically seperate route. I think this is precisely why we make the distinction between "routes" and "services" on transit pages. --Criticalthinker (talk) 06:51, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

slam-door?

Please define this term. --2001:44B8:3102:BB00:F8D9:7FA6:B5E5:E1CE (talk) 20:16, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

JFWLI 10mmsocket (talk) 21:08, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

List of former stations with closure reasons?

Can you tell the list of former stations with closure reasons? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clrichey (talk • contribs) 03:09, 26 November 2021 (UTC)