Talk:NWA Canadian Heavyweight Championship
Latest comment: 5 years ago by Morogth in topic Status as an NWA title
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NWA Canadian Heavyweight title history
editI have noticed several attempts to merge the history of the Toronto version of the NWA Canadian Heavyweight title into that of the current, NWA Board-sanctioned version of the championship.
According to the Wrestling Titles history website (http://www.wrestling-titles.com) and the book Wrestling Title Histories by Gary Will, the two championships are considered to be separate titles, not a continuation of the same title. More weight should be given to those publications in consideration of the titles' histories. Starbuck-2 23:03, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- If you look at other sources such as Solie.org and they do use the Gary Will book, that ECCW and NWA revived the Canadian Heavyweight Championship used in Toronto. Now if the NWA Canadian Heavyweight Championship and the Canadian Heavyweight Championship are different, then why does it sat on Solie.org that ECCW revived the Canadian Heavyweight Championship used in Toronto? It seems you have completely ignored the source I provided. At least I did provide one on the page. Take a look here. You will notice that they credit Gary Will's book. Also, if you look at Wrestling-Titles.com, you will see they still credit pre 1998 revival as the Canadian Heavyweight Championship used in Toronto. Either way, it's still the same title whether or not NWA revived it or not. Unless you Starbuck have personally read the Gary Will book, your arguement breathes no life. Mr. C.C. 07:07, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
- Here's another source for it: [1] So should we merge? ---SilentRAGE! 05:00, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
- I think it should be merged. I mean, it's the same lineage that is on Solie.org. There are two sources that have the same lineage. Therefore it trumps Starbuck's one source. Mr. C.C. 05:42, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
- Here's another source for it: [1] So should we merge? ---SilentRAGE! 05:00, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
- I still say no, because the current version of the NWA Canadian title and the old Toronto version are, according to Wrestling-Titles.com (http://www.wrestling-titles.com/canada/can-h.html) and Gary Will's book, separate titles, not the same title. Whoever runs the Solie.org site was mistaken when they merged the histories of two completely different titles, and the ECCW site has also gotten it wrong by going off of Solie.org's info. Starbuck-2 10:01, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
- Wrestling Titles.com is not an authority figure by any means. If somebody owns the rights to a title, they can give it whatever lineage they want. To quote someone else here on Wikipedia: "It may be historical revisionism, but it's official historical revisionism." ---SilentRAGE! 18:51, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
- As I stated above that two sources with the same lineage trumps Starbuck's one source. So who else wants this article re-merged besides me? Mr. C.C. 05:42, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
- Wrestling Titles.com is not an authority figure by any means. If somebody owns the rights to a title, they can give it whatever lineage they want. To quote someone else here on Wikipedia: "It may be historical revisionism, but it's official historical revisionism." ---SilentRAGE! 18:51, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
- I still say no, because the current version of the NWA Canadian title and the old Toronto version are, according to Wrestling-Titles.com (http://www.wrestling-titles.com/canada/can-h.html) and Gary Will's book, separate titles, not the same title. Whoever runs the Solie.org site was mistaken when they merged the histories of two completely different titles, and the ECCW site has also gotten it wrong by going off of Solie.org's info. Starbuck-2 10:01, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
With consensus, the articles are merged. ---SilentRAGE! 03:14, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
- What consensus? Just because no opposition has been voiced does not mean that it doesn't exist. Both articles have been de-merged because it still stands that the two championships are separate titles, not the same title - and no amount of historical revisionism by a promotion of the championships' histories is going to change that. Creativity-II (talk) 05:38, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
- And opposition still hasn't been voiced, and you only just stated your opinion. Many other Wikipedia articles on titles go by the historical revisionist definition. EX: The WCW Light-Heavyweight Championship lineage is considered to be apart of the WWE Cruiserweight Championship by WWE. I and others fought against this and lost. Both the NWA and ECCW consider the titles the same. That's how it works here. Sorry bud, this is just how Wikipedia works. Revert the article again and I'll report you to an Admin. ---SilentRAGE! 19:51, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
- Just try it. You're the one causing trouble by continually reverting the articles when it was made crystal clear (and this is fact, NOT opinion - and yes, opposition WAS voiced) that the current NWA Canadain title and the Toronto NWA Canadian title are TWO separate titles, not a continuation of the same title, and ECCW is just plain wrong with its revisionist history. But if you try it, be prerpared to get counter-reported yourself. Creativity-II (talk) 19:57, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
- Okay, I couldn't find the title history for the NWA Canadian title at the NWA website as it is now, but I did find this cached page from an earlier version at the Internet Archive that gives this history: [2] In any case, it's now back to the version you had it at, but if we were to go by the official NWA version, shouldn't the pre-1978 history also be included?
- Just try it. You're the one causing trouble by continually reverting the articles when it was made crystal clear (and this is fact, NOT opinion - and yes, opposition WAS voiced) that the current NWA Canadain title and the Toronto NWA Canadian title are TWO separate titles, not a continuation of the same title, and ECCW is just plain wrong with its revisionist history. But if you try it, be prerpared to get counter-reported yourself. Creativity-II (talk) 19:57, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
- And opposition still hasn't been voiced, and you only just stated your opinion. Many other Wikipedia articles on titles go by the historical revisionist definition. EX: The WCW Light-Heavyweight Championship lineage is considered to be apart of the WWE Cruiserweight Championship by WWE. I and others fought against this and lost. Both the NWA and ECCW consider the titles the same. That's how it works here. Sorry bud, this is just how Wikipedia works. Revert the article again and I'll report you to an Admin. ---SilentRAGE! 19:51, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
- I also see no reason for us to fight over this article anymore, so...truce? Creativity-II (talk) 20:52, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Status as an NWA title
editSince reign #44 (King of the Yukon, 8th December 2012), there has been no citation for the championship reigns. ECCW.com lists the title as the ECCW Canadian Championship, with no mention of the NWA. Wrestling-titles.com's listing states that ECCW left the NWA in September 2012, while the listing for the ECCW Canadian Championship seems to tally with those from reign #44 onwards. Should this be reflected in the history of this title? --Morogth (talk) 12:55, 6 July 2019 (UTC)