Talk:NXT North American Championship

Killian Dain

Killian Dain is not a American, why is he listed? BusriderSF2015 03:32, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

@BusriderSF2015: This isn't North American exclusive. It's the same as the WWE United Kingdom Championship and the WWE United States Championship. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 03:44, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Bad Bad Name...it should of started with North American People fighting WWE NXT North American Championship just like the WWE United Kingdom Championship. We already know EC3 going win, and not James Stroms (he coming to Main Roster)...

Well, James Storm isn't even in the match, so not sure why you even mentioned him. Like NotTheFakeJTP said, it's not actually exclusive (although the UK title was exclusive to that division until recently). The U.S. title is a prime example though, as many non-Americans (and by non-American, I mean those not from the U.S.A) have won the title. --JDC808 ♫ 06:31, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Yea i was wondering same they should of started with that

@Galatz: Denied those claims fully and was not breaking any of those rules as these are all positive opinions and suggested edits.

Killian Dain is not a American <-- Opinion 
Bad Name...  (Follow by comma)<-- Opinion 

🥇BUSriderSFUser (talk • contribs) 20:27, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Per WP:FORUM In addition, bear in mind that article talk pages exist solely to discuss how to improve articles; they are not for general discussion about the subject of the article. Your opinions are meaningless and have nothing to do with the article in question. - Galatz^Talk 21:20, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Overall , Mostly section of talk page is about edits relating that if this Championship is NA-exclusive in the first match even through i label a Belfest Wrestler as the title. Mentioning James Storm was also part of the section even if hes not in the match or surprise or not. I am disregarding the twinkle cause i follow the rules. You always review my (contribs NXT NA Championship Wiki, Coffee Lake Wiki, Asuka Wiki..etc) and say something?? 21:57, 4 April 2018 (UTC)🥇BUSriderSFUser (talk • contribs)

NXT North American Championship Picture

The picture was smaller before or just my computer...i thought it like size of 200px or something

Dream as champion

Hi. Are you sure Dream won the title? I saw some websites reporting two endings were taped, one with Gargano retaining and one with Dream winning, so the fans didn't know what version is real. What do you think we should do? --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 17:22, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Yeah...I am not sure how it should be handled, since there is a lot of confusion on whether or not the match restarted. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 17:27, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

I saw it in WrestlingInc, 411Mania and Solowrestling. Maybe we can include a note stating there is no clear result since WWE taped two endings. Then, point 1, Dream is recognized as champion, everything fine. 2, he is not. well, we're a little screwed. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 17:31, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Didn't TNA used to do two different versions of the matches to avoid spoilers? I dont remember how those were handled. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 17:34, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

I remember TNA doing it, but never with a title --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 19:33, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Length of days

Maybe it's confusion with how dates work in Wikipedia, but I believe themath is somehow flawed in counting number out days. Velveteen Dream should, as of typing this, have been champion for 27+ days, since there's one more day left in January after the date he won the title. However, the table has it listed at 25+ days. DAndrewC (talk) 20:01, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

I just looked and it says 27+ which is correct. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 20:31, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Belt maker

On the belt as well as the other championship belts listed for WWW AEW and other belts, it would be good to list who made the belt itself for WWE. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C40:7C80:3C34:BDA8:6A4D:7646:2AAE (talk) 00:28, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Brand

Hasn't it been established that when someone gets drafted to a new brand, and they're a champion, they take the title with them (i.e. New Day and the Street Profits last year, forcing Adam Pearce to facilitate a title trade).

Thus since Swerve Scott is North American Champion, and he (along with all of Hit Row) got drafted to SD, doesn't the strap become SD property?

Now, Scott and Santos Escobar have a title match on 10/11/21 on NXT, and if Escobar wins, the title obviously comes back to NXT, but since Scott is SD, the strap is SD too...no?

Vjmlhds (talk) 14:14, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

We can't make assumptions -- WWE are inconsistent at best at how titles are handled as people move from NXT to the main roster (I recall Paige having to vacate her title, and in other instances people have shown up on the main roster but not had their titles with them, and then in other instances there are title trades as you list above). We also have to grapple with the fact that moving from NXT to the main roster is not the same as moving from red to blue or vice versa. Ultimately, WWE's site still shows the title as being attached to NXT. Also, am I wrong in thinking that the new rosters don't go into effect for another 2 weeks anyway? — Czello ^{(Please tag me in replies)} 14:19, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Czello Rosters get locked in on Oct 22. Until then, the proverbial "forbidden door" is wide open, with anybody going anywhere leading up to Crown Jewel on Oct 21, with the "door" then being locked the next day. Vjmlhds (talk) 14:25, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Czello Remember - Karrion Kross brought the NXT Title with him when he first came to Raw during the summer, so if that means anything, that's a point of reference. Vjmlhds (talk) 14:28, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

True, but as I say they're inconsistent at this. Ultimately what I'd like to see is some confirmation about the title being on Smackdown, rather than an assumption that it is, otherwise we enter WP:CRYSTAL and WP:OR territory. So far I can't see any acknowledgement of it on their site (and I'm guessing it's because he will be losing the title at his next defense). — Czello ^{(Please tag me in replies)} 14:38, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Czello Didn't some doofus not too long ago say WWE.com suffers from sloppy housekeeping? Now having said all that, if Escobar wins the title on Tuesday, then the issue sorts itself out, and all of the above conversation becomes moot...add on top of that Charlotte Flair being drafted to SD as the Raw Women's Champion, and Becky Lynch being in the same boat, just reversed. Vjmlhds (talk) 14:52, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Sloppy housekeeping is definitely right, but we also can't make the declaration for them. Yes, I expect we'll get our answer next week anyway. I'm guessing he'll drop the belt, otherwise NXT will find itself one title down and I can't see Nakamura taking the IC belt to NXT as a replacement. — Czello ^{(Please tag me in replies)} 15:07, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Czello Here's Swerve's bio on WWE.com - they already have him listed on SD, with the NA Title in tow...would that mean that he has taken the title with him? We're getting into "walks like a duck, quacks like a duck" territory here. Vjmlhds (talk) 15:53, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

I don't think so. They have him listed on SD, but even there they still list the title as the "NXT North American Championship". Indeed, on this page the "NXT: Champions" section has the NA title listed. — Czello ^{(Please tag me in replies)} 16:12, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

I'm a couple of days late to the discussion here, but this just goes back to a point I made awhile ago in regards to how Vjmlhds always jumps the gun on these championships and which brand they're on. Him and I have had a couple or so discussions in the past about this, but whenever Vjmlhds sees a champion appear on a different show (even just for one night), he automatically assumes that title is now also on that show. I figured our past discussions would stop you from doing that, but I guess not. As stated by WWE however many times now, the results of the draft DO NOT go into effect until October 22, 2021. Despite WWE prematurely listing Scott as SmackDown on their website, he is still NXT until October 22, and that includes the North American title. And to answer this very first question: "Hasn't it been established that when someone gets drafted to a new brand, and they're a champion, they take the title with them?" Not with the NXT titles, because look at The Viking Raiders when they were drafted to Raw in 2019. They were the NXT Tag Team Champions, however, the title DID NOT become part of Raw, and they instead relinquished the title (also the Paige example Czello mentioned). Then you also have the fact that unlike past drafts, this one did not take effect immediately, which is also why the women's championships haven't officially swapped brands (yet, if they even will). --JDC808 ♫ 09:56, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

It's probably gonna be a moot point come Tuesday, when Swerve defends the title on NXT vs. Escobar - I'll be shocked if Escobar doesn't win the title, thus the situation taking care of itself. Vjmlhds (talk) 14:19, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Even if Scott wins, he'll more than likely be forced to vacate the title, but that is speculation. Unless they say something different after the match (if he wins), we really just have to wait until October 22 for definitive answers. JDC808 ♫ 18:51, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Well, the problem did take care of itself...albeit with a - pardon the pun - "swerve" mixed in. Vjmlhds (talk) 05:02, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

I don't watch NXT -- am I correct in thinking the swerve was Swerve losing an impromptu 2nd title match? — Czello ^{(Please tag me in replies)} 06:46, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Exactly. Vjmlhds (talk) 13:54, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Shared with SD

The title should be listed as shared by SD and NXT, as Solo Sikoa - who was just promoted to the main roster right before winning the title - took the belt with him to SD and is now defending it there as well (as he did last night vs. Madcap Moss).

Vjmlhds 14:20, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Do you have a source about the North American title being shared between NXT and SmackDown? It was just defended, like many other titles were defended on other brands. The NXT Title was defended on Raw, Smackdown, even at EVOLVE (see Adam Cole and Kevin Owens title reigns). --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 14:26, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

If a title is defended on multiple brands, that is the very definition of it being shared...in other words the title is not exclusive to any one particular brand. We need some extra eyeballs on this to break the tie, otherwise it's just the same old back and forth. Vjmlhds (talk) 14:31, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Do you have a source stating that the NXT NA title is now shared bewteen two brands? Again, the NXT Title was defended on RAW and SD, but it wasn't a shared title between brands. WWE.com even says " In a rare collision of worlds...". --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 14:36, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Like I said, let's get some fresh blood in here to offer their $0.02 - otherwise, we're just sitting here playing Pong. Vjmlhds (talk) 14:43, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

My 2¢ are that one defense doesn't make a title shared. Especially when the primary source even describes it as "rare". It would need to be a permanent (as much as anything in Pro-Wrestling is permanent) change of status, not be based on a single occurrence. oknazevad (talk) 21:31, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Now, it could just be me, but when the guy who holds the belt is now appearing on Smackdown as well, it tends to tell us that the belt is shared. Even if it's temporary, it's still something which is happening. Do we really need something extra to call a spade a spade?

I'd also like to add before anyone tries jumping in with "But NXT guy appeared on this main roster brand with this NXT title and that didn't make it shared!" Solo was promoted to Smackdown, then won the belt. He's a main roster guy with an NXT belt who appears mainly on Smackdown nowadays. Therefore it's a shared title. SkylerLovefist (talk) 03:49, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Do you have any source? Or is it the usual WP:SYNTH? Agree with OK, there is nothing to support a permant change HHH Pedrigree (talk) 10:23, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

It sounds more like the usual not getting your way and violating WP: CIVIL. How is stating facts WP: SYNTH? SkylerLovefist (talk) 17:42, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

WP:SYNTH: "do not combine different parts of one source to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by the source." Source provided doesn't stated anything about "The North American title is shared between SmackDown and NXT brands". So, the part about the title being shared it's WP:SYNTH/WP:OR --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 18:01, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

... Aside from the fact the owner of the belt is a Smackdown guy who defended the title on Smackdown. So again, this seems like another case of "I don't like the edit so it has to get my approval first." SkylerLovefist (talk) 18:25, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

All a moot point now, as the title has been vacated. Vjmlhds (talk) 02:17, 21 September 2022 (UTC)