Talk:NXT TakeOver: Tampa Bay

Merge Suggestion

This page is kind of pointless now. It’s an article about an event that isn’t going to happen. I think it would be better to merge this article with the NXT TakeOver series page and include a section there on this show. A few paragraphs to explain what happened with the cancellation and the coronavirus is more than enough for this event. OldSkool01 (talk) 12:38, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

How have other canceled events been treated? Just because the event isn't going to happen doesn't necessarily mean the page has to be deleted, though this is just a Start-Class article, so it doesn't stand much of a chance to be kept. --JDC808 ♫ 17:29, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

I would need an example of another wrestling event that was canceled that has its own article. I can’t think of any. OldSkool01 (talk) 01:12, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

In my opinion, if it met WP:GNG before, why would canceling it change that? There are about 200 pages listed under Category:Events cancelled due to the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic, so most seem to be kept. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 17:33, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

It was notable because it was an upcoming Network Event that was to be a part of a series of shows (TakeOver) that all have their own articles. With the event no longer happening, it no longer needs its own article. A simple sub-section on the main TakeOver series page is more than enough. As for other events that were canceled, I’m sure there are many other events that are much more prestigious and noteworthy, like the NCAA tournament, potentially the NBA Championship and the Stanley Cup Finals. Show me an example of another wrestling event in the past that was canceled and still has its own article. Especially a show that only had 1 match announced. And only half the participants for that 1 match were announced. OldSkool01 (talk) 05:39, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Notability shouldn't be tied to the event happening or not. Once something meets notability, its always notable. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 16:52, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Maybe, this helps. In 1985, CMLL cancelled their Annversary Show. [1] --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 21:11, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

It’s different. This was CMLL’s biggest show of the year and it had a full lineup announced. That would be the equivalent of WrestleMania being canceled the day before it went live in a big stadium. TakeOver Tampa was canceled almost 3 weeks out, only had 1 match announced (and not even every competitor was named) and it wasn’t WrestleMania, or even a WrestleMania level show like Rumble, SummerSlam, etc. OldSkool01 (talk) 21:51, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Well, you ask for pro wrestling cancelled events with article. I'm surprised, I though WCW Big Bang would exist. Also, if the ladder match was confirmed, i think it should be included. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 22:17, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

The ladder match was announced, but only 3 names were confirmed. Not even the full match was announced. As For Big Bang, it wouldn’t need a page because all that existed was a date. No arena, no city, no state, no matches, nothing. But if we’re going with the CMLL Anniversary show as the precedent then OK. Even though I don’t believe we should, that page shouldn’t exist either, but I understand why it does. OldSkool01 (talk) 04:11, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

If the match is announced, it's in. No matter if some of the participents weren't confirmed, the match was official.--HHH Pedrigree (talk) 11:09, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Notability doesn’t always mean it’s necessary. Not all articles are necessary. This is a very bare bones article that could very easily be merged into the TakeOver series page with a few paragraphs to cover it. OldSkool01 (talk) 23:05, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Also I wouldn’t categorize TakeOver: Tampa as one of the events forced to be canceled due to the coronavirus. Just like WWE is continuing to go through with WrestleMania, they could’ve just as easily gone through with TakeOver: Tampa at the Performance Center, but they chose not to. The coronavirus didn’t stop them from taping several weeks of Raw, SmackDown and both nights of Mania at the Performance Center, so it didn’t stop them from running TakeOver there either. WWE canceled TakeOver, the virus didn’t cancel it. It was WWE’s creative decision to not run TakeOver. OldSkool01 (talk) 05:49, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

It absolutely was canceled due to it. SXSW cancelled due to Coronavirus, but they could have just postponed it 6 months. You could make that case about anything. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 16:52, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

SXSW didn’t have the option of running somewhere else like WWE did. WWE continued running Raw, SmackDown, NXT and WrestleMania, so there’s no excuse for why they couldn’t run TakeOver. Yes, the virus caused them to lose the Amalie Arena, but there was nothing stopping them to run it at the Performance Center like they did with every other show. It was a creative decision to cancel TakeOver, not the virus. OldSkool01 (talk) 16:11, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes and no. Yes, they could have ran it from the Performance Center, but how many NXT wrestlers decided they didn't want to work the show because of the virus? That's something we don't know. Also, the date of the cancellation was March 24, which was when Orlando issued a lockdown order that took affect beginning 11pm on March 26. WWE might have actually had plans to tape this TakeOver (perhaps that following week), but became unable to because of the lockdown (which was because of the virus). --JDC808 ♫ 08:04, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

The problem with that theory is the TakeOver matches were taped on Sunday March 22nd when they taped 3 weeks worth of regular NXT episodes that aired on March 25th, April 1st and April 8th. Gargano and Ciampa worked the taping, the 6 women in the ladder match worked the taping, Keith Lee, Dijakovic and Priest worked the taping. Plus a lot of other wrestlers worked the taping. Not to mention Triple H himself did an interview with PWInsider on April 1st where he admitted that their thought process was if they did TakeOver, there wouldn’t be fans there anyway, so it made sense to just put those matches on the regular NXT episodes. They could have very easily recorded TakeOver if they chose to. Again, it was a creative choice to cancel TakeOver as a standalone event. OldSkool01 (talk) 17:33, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

@OldSkool01: You are the only one arguing that it was not canceled due to Coronavirus. This is no different than anything else in the cancelled category. Everyone could have postponed, moved, or something else but thats irrelevant. If there was no Coronavirus the event would have happened, than it was canceled due to it. It might be 3 steps removed, but still due to it. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 20:26, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

@Galatz: And you’re the only one on this page arguing that it WAS canceled due to the virus. And Triple H himself has said it was a creative decision to cancel it, yet somehow what you believe is more important than what the guy running the show said. The main topic here is not about whether the virus canceled it or not, it’s about whether or not this article deserves it’s own page. OldSkool01 (talk) 21:43, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

The event was cancelled because covid [2] [3] [4] [5]. "Creative decision" it's the polite, corporate speech of "covid cancellation". --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 22:08, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

@OldSkool01: Clearly you are not even paying attention to what is happening because you are saying I am the only one arguing, yet I am not even the one who initially added the category you keep removing. In addition JDC808 referred to it as a cancelled event above as well. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 00:46, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

@Galatz: Actually it looks like you were the first one to add that category on March 31st. Unless I missed somebody else adding it before that date. And if you keep reading after JDC808’s comment, I corrected him on the timeline. They already taped the planned TakeOver matches on March 22nd, 2 days before the announcement of the Florida shutdown. OldSkool01 (talk) 04:11, 23 April 2020 (UTC)