Talk:N with long right leg

Chechen N with long right leg

Latin letter N with long right leg in the Chechen-Russian dictionary 1927 edition.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jugydmort (talk • contribs)

That image shows what is encoded as N with descender ⟨Ꞑ ꞑ⟩ U+A790, U+A791. It is not Ƞ. See [1]. --Moyogo/ (talk) 07:57, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

No, is mistake. Descender attached to the letter to the right, and here we see a continuation of the right leg down. See also Nahar (inscriptions on top of bills: NOXÇIYȠ RESPUBLIKAȠ PAÇẊALQAȠ BANKAȠ AXÇA (it is not used on all banknotes, some use the standard N)). Letter is obviously Ƞ. In the Chechen-Turkish dictionary <Lepiev A.S., Lepiev İ.A., Türkçe-Çeçençe sözlük, Turkoyꞑ-noxçiyꞑ doşam, Ankara, 2003> is just incorrect font. --Jugydmort (talk) 11:00, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Maybe, I guess depending on the font one could argue the Chechen letter should be unified with N with descender Ꞑ, eng Ŋ or its typographic variant N with long leg Ƞ, or even N-cedilla Ņ or N-ogonek N̨. However Ꞑ was encoded with the Chechen letter in mind, so one could make a font where it has the same glyph as on those bills. Quite frankly the images of the bills I found are too low definition to see the exact shape, there is the same problem with the image here. A set of higher definition images would help. --Moyogo/ (talk) 20:21, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

The document [2] I mentionned earlier does not mention Chechen, I was mistaken saying Ꞑ was encoded with Chechen in mind. --Moyogo/ (talk) 08:54, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

"Descender" clearly curved, probably letter must be Ŋ

This Proposal was about Tatar/Bashkir (and other Turk) Janalif, not Chechen. Well, Chechen Latin orthography has no typography tradition. Hence, forms Ŋ, Ƞ, probably Ꞑ may coexist?

Letter Ƞ used in Slovene Metelko Alphabet too (contrastively with Ŋ). --Jugydmort (talk) 18:18, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

This second image shows what seems to approximate Ŋ. So from what I found, some nahar bank notes have a capital like Ƞ or Ŋ (when it has the n-form not the N-form), other bank notes have a capital like Ꞑ or Ŋ (when it has the N-form not the n-form), the image you provided here (and the book it comes from) seem to have N with ogonek or N with ogonek-like descender (which Ꞑ can have in some font styles). I’m not sure because all those images are too low quality. In many cases Ƞ is really a typographical variant of Ŋ, meaning it depends on the font style (or rather the lack of font with Ŋ made people use a large Greek eta). It would make sense to use them as separate letters to represent the Metelko letters (minus a few differences which may or may not be font style dependent, like the fact that neither goes below the baseline in the Metelko alphabet sample image). --Moyogo/ (talk) 21:40, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Probable typo?

The last sentence should presumably read "...when dedicated type was unavailable"? Honsgoc (talk) 02:19, 28 December 2019 (UTC)