Talk:Naadam

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Naadam Holiday is the Mongolian holiday that celebrates.

I've never heard of this story. And naadam means "play" in Mongolian. --Nanshu 02:40, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)

• CNN is doing stuff on Naadam, as is CTV NewsNet 67.68.223.250 11:31, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

I added a link to the article on Mongolia. Finn zee Fox 02:09, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

wrong intro?

Isn't naadam really a term for all festivities that involve horse racing, archery and wrestling? The intro makes it seem as if Naadam = Ulsyn Bayar, but I'm not sure if this is true. Yaan 19:31, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

The intro correctly explains the full name "eriin gurvan naadam". Other festivities involving sports competitions may also be called "Naadam". --Latebird 10:28, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

But the intro also states that Naadam is only 11th-13th July and says Naadam is the National holiday. As I understand it, the holiday is really called Ulsyn Bayar, and the (state) Naadam is only one part of the festivities - and more importantly, its is just a Naadam, not the Naadam. I'm going to change it for now. Yaan 11:36, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Just that nobody really says "Ulsyn Bayar". Without a specifier, "Naadam" does mean the big thing in 99% of all cases. --Latebird 22:50, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

At least they write "Ulsyn Bayar" often enough [1], even if usually only as a qualifier for the naadam they are referring too. Yaan 10:36, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

“Naadam” or “Ulsiin Bayar” gets celebrated in provinces at the same time, while the one in the Ulaanbator is the biggest one.i think this would be good information o add on the introduction.  Bolgnoo (talk) 21:17, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

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Ankle Bones

At the Naadaam I went to last year in Ulanbaatar, the ankle bone flicking seemed as big an event as the three major sports - is there a reason it's not in the main article? Vizjim (talk) 11:13, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Because it's not a "manly sport" but a children's game, and has nothing at all to do with the tradition of the Naadam festival. Actually though, it has been mentioned in the article for a long time as a leisurly passtime. Your addition is redundant to the statement about shagai just preceeding it. --Latebird (talk) 21:45, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

But shagai is different to ankle bone flicking - a completely different game, different rituals surrounding it, etc. Why would you highlight one & not the other? Vizjim (talk) 17:32, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm afraid you are mistaken. They are exactly the same thing. The two articles Shagai and Ankle bone shooting should have been merged a long time ago. --Latebird (talk) 20:41, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I may be getting the terminology wrong, but the two games I am thinking of are entirely different. Shagai is something like jacks, with pieces that get thrown and then land in one of a few ways. Ankle bone shooting (explained pretty well here or here) involves a wooden khashlaga, along which a smooth anklebone is flicked to hit a target. There was a large official marquee next to the Nadaam stadium where ankle bone shooting was taking place, but the only time I saw shagai being played was among friends, unofficially and for fun. Vizjim (talk) 07:43, 10 July 2008 (UTC) (BTW, just to make it clear, I'm not claiming to know a great deal about the subject, merely reporting what I saw and what was explained to us on a short holiday. If I'm wrong about this then can you find a source to show it? I've had a Google around and couldn't see anything definitive; it all seems to point to two different games. Vizjim (talk) 07:58, 10 July 2008 (UTC))

What you're presenting here is original research. There is not one game of shagai, but many different ones. That doesn't mean that one or the other is "wrong" or "not shagai". But this discussion should really be continued on Talk:Shagai. --Latebird (talk) 08:49, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

No: I'm presenting s-o-u-r-c-e-s (in the post above), while you are insisting on your own definition, i.e. original research. Which is why I don't see much point in continuing this discussion anywhere, since I don't care enough about Wikipedia's accuracy to bother fighting someone incapable of listening. Vizjim (talk) 10:12, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

So your sources explicitly say that only the one game you happen to know may be called "ankle bone shooting"? Because that's the core claim of yours that I'm disputing. On the other hand, the sources present in the articles (as well as many others) use the terms "shagai" and "ankle bone shooting" interchangeably for all games played with ankle bones. --Latebird (talk) 22:08, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

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Naadam in China

See http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2013-08/08/content_16881148.htm

I think we should more correctly describe the Naadam as a Mongolian(the culture) festival, instead of a Mongolian(the country) one. However, I am not sure how to edit this article... Ahyangyi (talk) 14:18, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Although I haven't really compared, the sizes of the Naadams in China are probably much smaller than those in Mongolia. So please do not give it undue weight if you decide to add. Ahyangyi (talk) 14:20, 21 January 2015 (UTC)