Talk:Names for Jewish and Christian holy books
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 | On 1 July 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Names for books of Jewish and Christian scripture to Names for Jewish and Christian holy books. The result of the discussion was moved. |
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editYo, Rube! What about gemara? Gonna tell me tomarra? :-) --208.246.35.242
Kaynahara! I ma just glad that you could fix up my admittedly sloppy attempt to fix up something that really needed it!
I thank everyone who has added to this article. As is often the case, no one person could write it by himself.
However, at the moment I'm primarily interested in the names as opposed to the contents of all the various canons, testaments, groupings of books and books. So I'm planning on trimming as much as possible from the article and moving it to a linked article. So if Torah means teaching, the user can click on Torah and find Torah ("teaching") is, etc. But here I just want a place to keep all the terminology straight.
The Books of the Bible article is for more in-depth info. What does it all mean? Why is it important? And so on. The weightier issues of the contents of these books can go elsewhere; here is just to keep track of the names of them all. Okay? --Ed Poor 18:18 Oct 31, 2002 (UTC)
"the deuterocanonical books or sometimes as the apocrypha, as a part of the Old Testament. They are not accepted as canonical by Protestants and were eventually accepted by Jews as part of the Tanach (although some ancient Jews appear to have accepted them)."
Do Jews accept the apocrypha or not? Strange sentence. Also why isn't Tanach defined on the page? Rmhermen 21:09, Mar 4, 2004 (UTC)
Doesn't this article just repeat material in other articles? What is the specific function? I know I myself added material a long time ago, after Ed Poor wrote the original stub. But there have been many more detailed articles written since then -- maybe we no longer need this? Slrubenstein
Requested move 30 November 2023
edit- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Adumbrativus (talk) 06:39, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
Names for books of Judeo-Christian scripture → Names for books of Jewish and Christian scripture – article covers books that are not just common to both religions (i.e., Judeo-Christian) but also ones that are specifically Jewish or specifically Christian. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 23:41, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
- Support. I looked over the article and the nom's argument appears to hold true. Seems like a sensible move. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 16:39, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
- Support for previously stated reasons but also especially considering the complicated / controversial nature of the term Judeo-Christian itself. Sillypilled (talk) 02:29, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
Requested move 1 July 2024
edit- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. Moved as an uncontested request with minimal participation. If there is any objection within a reasonable time frame, please ask me to reopen the discussion; if I am not available, please ask at the technical requests page. (non-admin closure) Waqar💬 15:12, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
Names for books of Jewish and Christian scripture → Names for Jewish and Christian holy books – This is a worthwhile article, but IMHO its current title is misleading. I expected "Names for books of Jewish and Christian scripture" to list the Jewish and Christian names for books of the Bible. Instead, it lists divisions within the Bible, and the more authoritative of the other Jewish types of holy books. I believe that in both religions "scripture" is only used for the Bible. "Sifrei Kodesh" is a wider category used in Judaism, literally meaning "holy books", although this does have a wider scope than the current content of the nominated article. – Fayenatic London 14:51, 1 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Bensci54 (talk) 16:30, 8 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 23:48, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- I would make a slight argument for holy texts rather than books. The book terminology creates confusion with the individual books of the Bible. Using the term as indicative of a physical object, the Torah is most recognized not as a book but as a scroll; there's a separate name for it in book form. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 15:00, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Relisting comment: Relist, for discussion of "books" vs "texts" BilledMammal (talk) 23:48, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- I could not figure out the topic of the page from either title. Srnec (talk) 02:06, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Does this subject pass WP:N? I wonder if this should be at AfD instead of RM. It seems this content exists elsewhere. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 20:07, 26 July 2024 (UTC)