Talk:Nara Line (JR West)

The following discussion is an archived debate. Please do not modify it.

• Nara Line (JR) → Nara Line —(Discuss)
• Nara Line (Kintetsu) → Kintetsu Nara Line —(Discuss)— To make way for redirecting Nara Line to Nara Line (JR) owned and operated by West Japan Railway. Kintetsu Nara Line may be better to redirect to Nara line (Kintetsu) since the subject name Kintetsu Nara Line is not an official name. —KU ^Talk 05:15, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I have a question about your proposal. Which titles should be articles, which titles should be redirects, and which title should be a disambiguation page?

Also, I recommend that you discuss the proposal at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains in Japan so more people can help make the decision.

Fg2 11:47, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi Fg2, I think current naming conventions on railway lines in Japan is quite confusing. As you may know, there exist two Nara Lines, operated by distinctive private railway companies since the privatisation of JNR. Although two lines are disambiguated by adding Kintetsu before the line name, however, it quite do not make sense why JR do not precede the line name. Would you explain why? The current naming convention seems to favor JR especially. I understand you as the page creator do not feel comfortable for the page moving proposal. However, it would be nice you understand and cooperated with the moving and creating better disambiguation conventions. —KU ^Talk 01:45, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi KU, I reverted the changes you made because they interrupt the edit history. If you had moved Nara Line to JR Nara Line, the edit history would have been preserved. By instead creating a new article named JR Nara Line and copying and pasting the text of the existing article into it, you separate the text from its history. Personally, I don't object to renaming Nara Line as JR Nara Line (or West Japan Railway Company Nara Line or whatever the Trains in Japan community recommends). But it should be done by renaming ("moving" in Wikipedia language) instead of copying and pasting into a new article. Also, thanks for listing it on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains in Japan. I'll make a short comment there. Fg2 01:59, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Nara Line as a train route

@DAJF: Hi, I noticed your undo of my addition to the Nara Line. Well, the article about a physical rail line as you said makes sense at first. But the article seems to fail explaining about the difference between the train operation route and the railway tracks. The Yamanote Line also has the similar situation as the Nara Line, the train route is much longer than the railway tracks named the Yamanote Line. So describing from the view point of a physical rail line only never solve the confusion on a train service route and physical rail tracks, then I added the rail service infobox.

As you may know, the Nara Line is the Route D with brown color (oops, the color hex is inaccurate) from Kyoto to Nara according to JR-West's route map. Would you clarify that, please? It is still inaccurate, or I may re-revert it. Thanks KU (talk) 01:54, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

@KU: Hi. Thanks for commenting. It wasn't clear to me why you had changed from the existing rail line infobox to the rail service infobox. While I understand that most services on the line do continue over the Kansai Main Line to and from Nara, I still don't see how this really changes anything. The rail service infobox, as the name suggests, is intended for individual rail services like the Nozomi and Narita Express, but as there are at least four different distinct service types operating on the Nara Line (all-stations "Local" services and various different "Rapid" services), it's awkward to try and combine these all into a single infobox. For example, the different services have different stopping patterns and different accommodation types.

As for the line colour, you're right about the earlier brown colour being inaccurate, so I have restored the colour you added. Apologies for missing that.

I should also take this opportunity to point out that the operator of the line is called West Japan Railway Company which is often shortened using the official abbreviation JR West (with no hyphen). This can be confirmed via the wikipedia article and of course on the company's official website.

Anyway, thanks for working on and updating this and other articles in the region, and also for starting line symbol/colour templates. These all ought to be added to Template:Osaka transit to make them more accessible to other editors. --DAJF (talk) 00:14, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

@DAJF: Hi. Thanks for your reply. As you said about {{Infobox rail service}}, it sounds reasonable. I agree with that it is awkward to try and combine all train services into a single infobox. So I've proposed this issue to WP:TWP/MOS to discuss creating a new MOS.

BTW, as of the official abbreviation of West Japan Railway Company, it should be JR-West as per the company's official website. My recognition was "with no hyphen", too, but the company seems to change their official abbreviation sometime in a few years. Thanks.KU (talk) 01:20, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

References

@KU: Thanks for the heads-up about JR West's new hyphenated version. That was news to me, but in that case I think we will need to update the introduction paragraph of West Japan Railway Company. Please note that, as per WP:NOPIPEDLINK, it is still recommended that we don't use piped links like [[West Japan Railway Company|JR West]] or [[West Japan Railway Company|JR-West]] just for the purpose of bypassing redirects. --DAJF (talk) 23:21, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 29 September 2016

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved  — Amakuru (talk) 15:43, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

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• Nara Line → Nara Line (JR West)
• Nara Line (disambiguation) → Nara Line

– The current Nara Line article is not primary for the term, Nara Line, with respect to usage since it is not much more likely than Nara Line (Kintetsu) article to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term. It does not mean that Nara Line (Kintetsu) article is a primary topic, however, it would be better to place an disambiguation page at the base name: Nara Line. Thanks. KU (talk) 22:51, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

FYI: as of FY2014 passenger-distance, the Nara Line of JR-West is 378,039,844 passenger-kilometer while that of Kintetsu Railway is assumed to be more than 565,791,970 ppm. As you may know, the line is one of main lines of the Kintetsu. KU (talk) 08:28, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

•  Disagree: It would make a lot more sense to move Nara Line (Kintetsu) back to its original logical name at Kintetsu Nara Line and relying on the hat note at the top of the (JR) Nara Line article for disambiguation. That will save one click for at least half of the people who arrive at this page. --DAJF (talk) 23:32, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
• Support there are two Nara Lines, make it clear. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:06, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
• Weak support Not primary topic, although the article title in all other Wikipedias is "Nara Line" or similar. I would also suggest using "JR West" instead of "JR-West". Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
  to reply to me 08:17, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

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