Talk:Natalia Morari

Wrong facts

She wasn't expelled nor evicted nor deported from Russia. She was simply denied to enter Russia. So calling her case "expulsion" is wrong. Cause expulsion is prohibited by Russian Constitution. Morar had tried to enter Russia but wasn't allowed to do so. So she flew back to Moldova from the airport and customs control.

But again - she was NEVER expelled or deported. She was denied to enter Russia.

78.36.198.99 (talk) 17:53, 2 August 2008 (UTC) Amadeo del Rey

She lived in Russia for six years and landed on a Moscow airport when she wanted to return there after a short trip to Israel (not Moldova), so while it may legally be a barred entry, in fact it was an expulsion. Bever (talk) 02:02, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

It's Morar

Not Morari —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.234.60.154 (talk) 20:16, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

This is "morari" based on spelling from her Moldovan language. Please see explanation here: [1]. However I do not mind to rename to Morar as more common English spelling.Biophys (talk) 21:21, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Actually, it's spelled "Morar" in Romanian/Moldovan. That's the spelling she uses in her blogs' URL (natmorar.livejournal.com) bogdan (talk) 17:41, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

It looks like "Morari" in her language, but she translated it as "Morar" to Russuan: [2]. So, anything goes.Biophys (talk) 18:09, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Hmm... I found an article which uses the spelling "Moraru". http://www.interlic.md/news/3448-rom.html

It could be that "Moraru" can be transliterated in the Moldovan Cyrillic alphabet as "Морарь", which gets transliterated back to Latin as "Morari".

Or that her name is really "Morari", derived from "Morariu".

Or that there are three identical twins, each with a different last name: Morar, Morari and Moraru.

Well, I'm leaving "Morar" for now because that's the most common spelling in the English-language press. bogdan (talk) 18:25, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

"Morari" with a soft "i" is the way russians spell the name ended with an "r". But the word "morar" means "miller" in both Romanian (Moldavian). It is a very common name in both countries and sometimes it might appear with the derivate forms "Moraru" or "Morariu" which have the Romanian definite article "-[i]u(l)", that is "the miller". But Natalia Morar ("Miller" in English) is by any standard a common Romanian (Moldavian) name which has been spelled according to Russian ortographic rules, and most probably Natalia Morar is writing her name in such a way that Russians can read and spell it. The official language of Moldova uses latin characters so transliterating Moldavian names (or/and Romanian for that matter) from Russian cyrrilic is superfluous and absurd. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pshtak (talk • contribs) 11:14, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

As it is apparent here she calls herself Morari. I would say this should decide it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.93.83.31 (talk) 13:40, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

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Natalia Morar → Natalia Morari – Seems that "Morari" is the correct form of her surname. Since 2008 she's returned and is based in Moldova, where is a very active journalist. All her activity is under surname "Morari". Now she works for Moldovan channel TV7, and 5/7 days appears on TV as host of 2 TV talk shows: "INTERPOL" and "Politica". In both talk shows she is credited as "Natalia Morari":

• official Facebook page of "INTERPOL with Natalia Morari" https://www.facebook.com/INTERPOL-cu-Natalia-Morari-1548354608768080/
• main page and promo video of "Politica with Natalia Morari", official promo banner, and official Facebook page

Additionally, her FB profile uses both for screen name and username "Morari" [3]; her blog on Radio Free Europe - Moldova (Radio Europa Libera) also uses "Morari" in name [4]; an article by VIP Magazin from 2009 titled Natalia Morari. I am back ACASĂ, etc., etc. XXN, 16:21, 1 March 2016 (UTC) --Relisted. sst✈ 08:24, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose. As far as I can tell, English reliable sources more often use "Morar". The Guardian, BBC, NY Times, to name a few.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:07, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Right, but how many such sources you can provide? 3, 5, or maybe 10 (at max.)? But there are tons of videos of Natalia Morari's aired talk shows where she is presented as Morari. When she emigrated from Moldova to Russia her name was transliterated from Natalia Morari to Наталия Морарь; in both forms: "i" from "Morari" and "ь" from "Морарь" represents a short/soft I (i). When she was in Russia and became notorious and later was expulsed from Russia, Western mass media just transliterated her name from Russian "Морарь" → "Morar" and thus last "i" is lost. Now there are no reasons for double transliteration. For last more-than-half-decade most common (sur)name of Natalia is "Morari". --XXN, 17:02, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Tons of videos, maybe, but presumably they are not in English either. I would need more evidence of any significance usage of the Morari form in English and in reliable sources before I could support this. Are there any such sources? English books [5] and even her own blog http://natmorar.livejournal.com/ generally use Morar. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 17:25, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Yep, videos are in Romanian and Russian, not in English. Must mention that book was written by non native English speakers. Her livejournal blog (username: natmorar; screen name: Наталья Морарь) is inactive since 2012. Her twitter and instagram accounts [6][7] (where she is somewhat active) also uses natmorar as username, but Natalia Morari as screen name; but the best social network for reference probably is her facebook account [8] (where she has daily activity) with both screen name and username containing "Morari". Prevalence of reliable sources in English which uses form "Morari" - is just a question of time. Currently only reliable sources in official language of Moldova/from Moldova uses correct form of her surname - "Morari" — [9][10][11][12][13][14][15][16][17][18][19][20][21]. Moldovan media holding Jurnal Trust Media has some mentions in English of Natalia's surname as "Morari" — [22][23][24][25][26]. --XXN, 20:48, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose. The article's English sources use "Morar". —  AjaxSmack  02:47, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

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Surname

Some sources from English-language media and international entities mentioning her correct surname: [27][28][29][30][31]. --XXN, 19:36, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

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Natalia Morar → Natalia Morari – This is clearly her correct surname. She uses it herself [32] [33] [34], and it's also the one used in Romanian-language sources [35] [36] [37] [38] [39] and in English-language ones [40] [41] [42] [43] (also take into account the links given by XXN in 2017 right above). In Google Scholar "Natalia Morar" has 86 results and "Natalia Morari" has 71. Morari becomes the most common form in 2011 with 62 vs. 55 for Morar, and it was clearly majoritary since 2020 with 29 results for Morari vs. 15 for Morar. Morari became the WP:COMMONNAME long ago and this should be reflected in the title. Super Ψ Dro 23:25, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

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