Talk:Natchez

Requested move 19 January 2018

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The result of the move request was: no consensus as to whether Natchez, Mississippi is the primary topic of "Natchez" and thus no consensus to move the page at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 02:21, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

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Natchez → Natchez (disambiguation)
Natchez → primary redirect to Natchez, Mississippi – While not by an overwhelming margin, the city in Mississippi appears to be the primary topic, and is most likely what most people would think of when they here the name "Natchez"; they are unlikely to think of the Natchez Trace or the Natchez Trace Parkway. Per pageview analysis [1], the city in Mississippi routinely gets 3-4 times more daily views than Natchez people, the city's namesake, and people outside of the area are unlikely to know the origin of the name. (although for some strange reason unknown to me, "Natchez people" received more than 40x more views than average in the day before this request was initiated.) It is also important to take into the consideration the significance of the MS city because of its historical prominence, being more than 300 years old and one of the oldest cities in the United States. Bneu2013 (talk) 09:12, 19 January 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Steel1943 (talk) 00:30, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support city as primary topic of the term "Natchez", per nominator's rationale. ╠╣uw [talk] 10:42, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
• Support, though I would put the article about the city at Natchez rather than make Natchez a redirect to that article at Natchez, Mississippi. Yes, I know what WP:USPLACE says. and I also know that USPLACE is based on the argument that formulations like Natchez, Mississippi are the WP:COMMONNAME for the US city. Meh. I think it's Natchez, period. Redirecting Natchez to the clearly less WP:CONCISE Natchez, Mississippi is ridiculous. --В²C ☎ 23:30, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
• Support, per nom and above comments. Yes, it could easily be a one-word title, but there is a list of one-word city names which can be used here, and this one isn't on it. Randy Kryn (talk) 01:53, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose I do think of the Natchez Trace before the city, and I don't find the pageview argument convincing in this case. 10-1 would be, but 4-1, I'm not so sure. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:50, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose. I wonder if the prominence of the Natchez people also undermines the claim that the city is primary. Look at these pageview results for a longer period. While I'm not convinced people looking for the Natchez Trace Parkway will expect to find the article at "Natchez", there's a lot of competition for the city. —  AjaxSmack  01:42, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
• Support city as primary topic. feminist (talk) 07:37, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per AjaxSmack. While, on average, people are more likely to be looking for the city than one of the other possibilities, the difference is not so stark as to distinguish the city as the clear primary topic.--Aervanath (talk) 14:58, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
• Support per nomination, Huw, В²C, Randy Kryn and feminist. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 00:51, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
• Comment Clarification: I don't think anyone ever refers to or thinks of the Natchez Trace or Parkway as simply "Natchez" or "The Natchez." Similar to the way that no one probably refers to the Blue Ridge Parkway as just "Blue Ridge." "The Natchez" is more likely to refer to the people. Bneu2013 (talk) 02:45, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per AjaxSmack. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:23, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per AjaxSmack. Pageviews shows that the city is at best only a plurality of the major uses of the topic, which isn't enough for it to be a primary topic. In terms of long-term significance, I would argue that the Natchez people that the city is named after, which had a significant and active role in American colonial history (see Natchez revolt) would win that criterion over the city. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 17:13, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

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