Talk:National Galleries of Scotland

2023 rebrand

The latest rebranding presents a challenge in naming the gallery articles on Wikipedia. According to the latest announcement, the galleries are simply to be named National, Portrait and Modern (complete with the ultra-fashionable omission of the definite article). Personally, I think the names are rather silly, but as we have to reflect reality, what do we call them on Wikipedia? I can see we either call them:

• National (National Galleries Scotland)
• Portrait (National Galleries Scotland)
• Modern (National Galleries Scotland)

or

• National Galleries Scotland: National
• National Galleries Scotland: Portrait
• National Galleries Scotland: Modern

Has anyone got any better ideas for reflecting this marketing claptrap accurately? Cnbrb (talk) 12:43, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

National_Museum_of_Ireland#Divisions may offer a way forward (4 physical locations & types of collection). But all, especially National Galleries of Scotland - National indeed sound rather silly. Johnbod (talk) 15:09, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

How about the new official name, then a description as disambiguation which happens to be identical to the previous name but in sentence case?

• National (Scottish national gallery)
• Portrait (Scottish national portrait gallery)
• Modern (Scottish national gallery of modern art)

Ham II (talk) 16:00, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Maybe. Either style will make finding the WP page more difficult, I imagine. I wonder if SEO advice was taken? Johnbod (talk) 16:12, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Or maybe we leave the article names as they are, on the basis of WP:COMMON? Nobody in their right mind will ever say "I'm going to the Portrait", or "Did you see the exhibition in National Galleries Scotland: Modern?". This renaming of galleries is such a ridiculously inept attempt at being modern, it's almost not worth making the effort. I reckon it will all get changed again in six months! Cnbrb (talk) 13:17, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

@Cnbrb: It's coming up to five months now, and "National" seems to be going by "National Gallery" in the signage... Ham II (talk) 18:50, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

We could leave them as they are (with both names) for now, on the grounds it will take a while for the new names to settle in, not to mention the need for disam. I imagine that even if it is recognised as a mistake, it will take a good while before any further change. Johnbod (talk) 13:50, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

I'm happy for the names of the three individual galleries to be left as they are until there's some sign of the new names catching on, but should we do the same for the "National Galleries of Scotland" → "National Galleries Scotland" part of the rebranding, or is that much less contentious? Ham II (talk) 05:52, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Not an unreasonable change - at least it (sort of) makes sense! Cnbrb (talk) 08:15, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Fine with that - as usual the former name should also be in the 1st line. Johnbod (talk) 12:36, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

OK, thanks. I've completed the page move - hopefully non-contentious! Cnbrb (talk) 13:43, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

It has just occurred to me that if NGS continue the rebrand, will Duff House become National Galleries Scotland: Duff? Doesn't sound too enticing.... Cnbrb (talk) 19:14, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

.... and over a year later, it's all been moved back. It is untrue to say that the move didn't undergo a discussion - this is the discussion, right here, and there seemed to be no major objection to a move. It therefore seemed to be uncontroversial. But if editors want the old name to be retained in spite of the current branding then it can stay as it was. 12:21, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Now we have inconsistency as we have a series of categories named Category:National Galleries Scotland (and numerous child categories) which do not match the article names, so it's now all bit of a mess. Perhaps the editor who reverted this would like to tidy this all up? Cnbrb (talk) 19:06, 14 July 2024 (UTC)