Talk:National Unity Government of Myanmar

Neutrality

As written, the article makes it sound as if the NUG is actually governing in Myanmar, and makes no mention of the fact that it's a government in exile and the State Administration Council is the government actually in power. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 04:23, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

@Tartan357: They are both trying to claim the title "Legitimate Government of Myanmar" and trying to rule the country and both still don't have the power to rule the country. NUG as the federal democratic way and caretaker government as the dictatorist way. You might think Military's government is in power because they have offices but it's absolutly not, as you could see in the days of Silence Strikes, people only followed NUG's statement and didn't follow (nearly) anything that has been announced by Military's Government.Editor in Myanmar (talk) 15:26, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

I've improved the article's neutrality since making this comment nearly a year ago. The State Administration Council is the current government of Myanmar, whether that's accepted by people or not. Writing the article as if the NUG is in power just because they were removed illegally is misinformation, which doesn't help their cause. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 08:16, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Tartan357 Ohh, yeah. I didn't check the date. Sorry. But as I said "You might be wrong by thinking that Military Council is governing us because they can't do anything to most of the people that don't follow their statements, their soldiers are just in bunkers because they're worried that they might get shot when they go outside and just able to do notthing when NUG is able to, at least, make the people follow it's statement (like in Silent Strike days) Editor in Myanmar (talk) 08:27, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

It would be very nice if what you're saying is true, but it goes against the overwhelming consensus of reliable sources that tell use the military is in charge. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 08:30, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Tartan357

Yeah, maybe your right. I still have to use the source from reliable media.

Editor in Myanmar (talk) 08:32, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Tartan357 I found 1 source here, https://www.rfa.org/burmese/program_2/peoples-responses-to-information-minister-mgmgohn-03042022054904.html So, if Wikipedia accept RFA as a reliable, I believe this is a prove that Military Council doesn't have any control everywhere in the whole country. Editor in Myanmar (talk) 08:38, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

This source seems fine but doesn't come close to supporting what you're talking about. I will save you some time: The military's control over Myanmar right now is an established fact, and you're not going to be able go find sources to change that. Whether they can hold onto it long-term is another matter, but not what we're dealing with here. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 08:43, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Tartan357

-_-

I think you haven't read that source yet. It has been said that တစ်နိုင်ငံလုံး ထိန်းချုပ်နိုင်ပြီဆိုတဲ့ စစ်ကောင်စီပြောဆိုချက် လက်တွေ့နဲ့ ကွာဟနေ, which means "Although Military Council said it can control the country (by mouth), in reality, it can't." Which definitely support what I'm trying to say.

Editor in Myanmar (talk) 08:48, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Tartan357

and the source has been published in this year of May 4th. Which is the current even and no word about the long term

Editor in Myanmar (talk) 08:50, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yy6lKo39Wxc

Here's the link if you want to watch that on Youtube.

Editor in Myanmar (talk) 08:51, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

I read it. This is a prediction, and one of many. WP:CRYSTAL and WP:REDFLAG apply. Seriously, this isn't happening. I suggest channeling your interest in this subject into our coverage of the resistance efforts, rather than trying to get ahead of events. 2021–2022 Myanmar protests might be a good place to start. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 08:54, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Tartan357

May I know why you said this is a prediction and which sentence makes you think that?

Because as I read it's source that's interviewing the local people that can Military really control them or not and they didn't say anything about the future and only said about the present.

Editor in Myanmar (talk) 09:01, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Because people claiming the military can't control them doesn't make it true. It's an abstract sentiment and one that many oppressed people have. Many civil wars end in victory for dictators. We will have to see if there's a civil war, and who wins it. Wikipedia cannot predict what will happen. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 09:04, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Tartan357

So, are you saying people are lying?

I don't believe that you know what's happening in Myanmar more than Myanmar people, who are just saying the reality.

Editor in Myanmar (talk) 09:08, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Tartan357

By the way, why doesn't Wikipedia allow to use the title Dictator in dictator's article, such as Min Aung Hlaing. and say that NPOV, which just ignore the reality.

Editor in Myanmar (talk) 09:09, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

I strongly suggest you get more editing experience before trying to edit in controversial political topics that you are personally affected by. You are not the first to try, and it never goes well. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 09:11, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

ok

Editor in Myanmar (talk) 09:15, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Tartan357

But I still have questions

1.were you trying to say people are lying that military can't control the military and ignore the reality and just believing that Military is governing us?

2. Why don't Wikipedia accept the title DICTATOR in the articles about dictators.

Editor in Myanmar (talk) 09:18, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Tartan357

and the source isn't only about interviewing the local people but also interviewing Youth Committees, Political analysts and even members of Military council.

Editor in Myanmar (talk) 09:22, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Criticism

Can we perhaps add the criticism section on this page, with particular regards to NUG not being representative of various stakeholders of Myanmar (for example some Rakhine and Rohingya)? The nature of NUG and the circumstances of its origin definitely plays a role in limited representation, which bounds its ability to consider different voices and concerns from those who are not at the table. Xanekka (talk) 04:24, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Xanekka, in most cases I think criticism is best integrated with other content rather than in a standalone criticism section—see WP:CRIT. I'd suggest creating a section on the stakeholders in general which can include some of this criticism alongside less controversial information. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 05:04, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

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