Talk:Nationalmuseum robbery

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 20:32, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

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• ... that in December 2000, armed robbers stole an estimated $30–45 million dollars worth of paintings during the Nationalmuseum Robbery, including two Renoirs and a Rembrandt? (cite: low estimate: [1], high estimate: [2])
  • ALT1:... that two Renoirs and a Rembrandt were stolen during the Nationalmuseum Robbery in 2002?

Created by Flalf (talk). Self-nominated at 06:04, 18 December 2020 (UTC).

• Article is interesting, long enough, new enough and properly referenced. No copyvio obvious. Image appears to be PD. Either hook could be used. GreatLakesShips (talk) 23:42, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Images and titles

Am I right in thinking that the three paintings referred to in this article, which were the stolen in this robbery and later returned, and which are currently held by the Nationalmuseum in Stockholm, are the following.

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  Rembrandt, Self-portrait (sometimes Self-portrait with Beret and Gathered Shirt), oil-on-copper, 1630 NM 5324
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  Renoir, Young Parisian, oil-on-canvas, c.1875, NM 1757
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  Renoir, Conversation, oil-on-canvas, c.1875, NM 2079

That is consistent with the images that the BBC show here. And for example, see this book from 2010. And if that is right, the title of the second Renoir is just plain Conversation, not Conversation with Gardner. If so, perhaps this article should include the images.

Notably, that Renoir is not this, shown in some sources, but not held by the Nationalmuseum in Stockholm.

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  Picking Flowers, 1875, National Gallery of Art, Washington DC 1970.17.61

Looking at some of the online sources in the article already, the two CNN sources from 2001 says "Renoir's "Conversation" -- a close-up of a man and a woman with her back turned to the viewer"; the LA Times in 2005 refers to "Renoir’s “Conversation.”"; and the ABC source from 2006 also says "a self-portrait by the Dutch master Rembrandt and two works by the French impressionist Pierre-Auguste Renoir — A Young Parisian Woman and Conversation."

How reliable is "crimemuseum.org", given they say that the stolen work was Conversation with Gardner (as admittedly do some other sources, but mistakenly I think) and also appear to be showing a Renoir painting held by the National Gallery of Art in Washington DC and not as far as I know ever stolen? I would suggest that anything sourced from there should be treated with an exceptionally large pinch of salt. Theramin (talk) 00:53, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

@Theramin: You are right that it would be those three paintings (Conversation, Self Portrait, and Young Parisian.) I did not notice the error in crime museum and I will remove it. Thank you for pointing this out! Also I think a visual of the paintings would be appropriate, I'll put them in. Thanks! Flalf^Talk 04:22, 4 January 2021 (UTC)