Talk:Native American–Jewish relations

Indigenous Canadians

Thank you, @User:Oncamera, for your additions to the article. I began to wonder if there might be enough sources for a separate article on Indigenous Canadian–Jewish relations, or if this article should be expanded to be about Indigenous North Americans in general? Briefly searching on Google, there seem to be a number of sources about Jewish-First Nations relations, and to a lesser extent Jewish-Inuit relations. What do you think? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 21:49, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

I'm not exactly sure how much information is available about the relationships in Canada, I just remembered that controversy. And I think "Indigenous-Canadian" is not an accepted term for First Nations in Canada or Indigenous peoples in Canada. I suppose if there's not enough information about a separate article in Canada, this one could be renamed to include both countries. Would a title like "Native American and First Nations–Jewish relations" be too long of a title? Perhaps or perhaps not.  oncamera  _{(talk page)} 21:58, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Citations

Thanks, Bohemian Baltimore for your work in creating this article. I've chopped a few bits that didn't appear to be supported by citations. Feel free to re-add if there's material to support. Bondegezou (talk) 12:54, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Antisemitism section

This article contains a section entitled Antisemitism. The entire content of this section is about David Ahenakew, former National Chief of the Assembly of First Nations, and antisemitic comments he made. I removed this, Oncamera has returned it. I remain of the view it should be removed.

Ahenakew's comments were awful and should be covered on Wikipedia. They are covered at length in his article. However, I don't think they fit here. I think none of the citations in the text talk about Native American-Jewish relations more generally. These are actions of one individual. We don't have any citations saying Ahenakew's comments are representative, or not representative, of Native Americans' views generally.

Compare Armenian–Jewish_relations#Antisemitism_in_Armenia. This describes, with citations, general trends. It does not pick out the actions of one individual without context. There is nothing in Jewish–Romani relations that picks out the actions of one individual like this. Let's find some proper sourcing for this section that talks to the general question, but having a section that is purely on Ahenakew fails WP:BALANCE and is WP:UNDUE here. Bondegezou (talk) 10:14, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Other articles such as this one go over the actions of individuals, see African American–Jewish relations#Antisemitism among African Americans which you left out of your assessment. You can trim it, but it shouldn't be censored from the article entirely.  oncamera  _{(talk page)} 12:27, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

You are right that that article section does mention two individuals, Sufi Abdul Hamid and Jesse Jackson. However, there are just two sentences on Hamid (and I think they may be WP:UNDUE) and just one sentence on Jackson, with the latter being followed by an explicit and referenced comment about how his actions fitted into relations more broadly. The overall section is much longer than those two short paragraphs, with the focus squarely on relations in general, which contextualises the material about individuals. Here, there is a long section and it's all about Ahenakew. So, no, I don't think African American–Jewish relations#Antisemitism among African Americans remotely justifies what we have here. I remain of the view that the current text is WP:UNDUE.

I welcome input from other editors who have not yet waded in on this matter. Bondegezou (talk) 15:04, 20 September 2023 (UTC)