Talk:Navigation Road station

Location

Navigation Road Station is NOT "located between the Broadheath and Timperley areas of Altrincham". The station is located predominately in Altrincham, although the very north ends of the platforms are in Timperley (The brook is the boundary). It would be reasonable to say that the station serves the west end of Timperley, Broadheath and the east side of Altrincham. Altfish (talk) 18:15, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

I thought the boundary was the Pelican? But wherever the boundary is, the area served by a station is very much subjective and doesn't follow fixed boundaries, natural or artificial. It's not unreasonable to suppose that somebody in Oldfield Brow might use this station, so does it serve Oldfield Brow too? --Redrose64 (talk) 21:52, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

The boundary at The Pelican (actually Sinderland Brook) is between Timperley and Sale. Therefore the statement that it lies between Broadheath and Timperley is factually incorrect and needs to be changed as the station is in Altrincham.

As I said ‘It would be reasonable to say…’ I wasn’t stating it categorically served only those areas, any station can serve a random area, my comment was based on where the station was and reflecting the areas of the conurbation closest to it. Yes, it could serve Oldfield Brow and because it has a park and ride facility (Which also needs to be added to the page) it could also be said to serve (say) Lymm. That is not the point, I was trying to continue to include Broadheath in the station description.213.152.245.226 (talk) 06:40, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Describing it as "a multi-modal transport hub" makes it sound very grand with many people changing between the tram/train/bus. People changing from tram to train do so at Altrincham, very few people alight at Navigation Road to join the bus. Altfish (talk) 20:07, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

It's certainly within the Wikipedia understanding of "multi-modal", because there are both trams and trains. Not being a hub I largely agree on; but the traveller from Stockport to Sale might well change from train to tram here. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:52, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

I won’t argue, however, I would state that people changing from tram to train at Navigation Road have often missed their train because of the length of time the crossings often remain ‘closed’ and I would not advice anyone to change at Navigation Road, but to do so at Altrincham where there is a footbridge. 213.152.245.226 (talk) 06:40, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Redrose64: I intend to make changes to this page to reflect my comments in the next 24-hours unless you respond with good argument as to why I'm incorrect Altfish (talk) 15:58, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Park & Ride

I added the comment about it being full after 0730 because personal experience tells me it is! I have no reference for this (Doubt there is any) but it is useful information for people wishing to use this facilityAltfish (talk) 18:29, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Personal experience is very much original research, and also fails verifiability. Warning people to get there early is not a neutral point of view. What is acceptable is to find an item in the Manchester Evening News, or the Sale & Altrincham Messenger, which describes car parking problems. Then, you can add the item with a reference. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:37, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

OK it stays as it is. Altfish (talk) 20:14, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

History

I do not believe this station was anything to do with the MSJ&AR as it had ceased to exist; by Grouping in 1923 the LMR were responsible for the line, although the LNER had some rights over it. The social club in the car park built at the same time as the station was known as the LMRCA Club (London Midland Railway Clubs Association; so I strongly suspect the station was opened by the LMR, along with Dane Road and Warwick Road. I shall search for a reference for this. Altfish (talk) 20:33, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

The MSJ&AR continued to exist after Grouping; it is explicitly listed in the Transport Act 1947, third schedule (about halfway down page 145) under the heading "Bodies whose Undertakings are Transferred to Commission". This is not unusual - quite a lot of other joint railways are listed, in contrast to the Railways Act 1921, which named only one joint railway, the Portpatrick and Wigtownshire Joint Railway. In 1923, several joint railways did become wholly owned by the London, Midland and Scottish Railway (LMS), or by the LNER, etc. by virtue of their previous owners having all been placed in the same group in the 1921 Act; but joint railways whose owners were placed in different groups remained joint, albeit with new owners. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:48, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, you are correct, I thought it had become the MSJ&A Committee rather than railway, the Committee being run jointly by the LMR and LNER. Altfish (talk) 11:55, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

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