Talk:Neapolitan Mastiff

Baiting of bulls, bears and jaguars

This citation for this statement is a broken link. While Neapolitan type dogs may have been used to work cattle, and there are anecdotes that imply Camorra members used them in dog fighting, I've never seen any source that implies they were used for baiting. This seems to be the same myth that they fought in the arena. There is confirmed evidence of a Bordeaux being matched against a Jaguar, but Neapolitans did not exist at the time.

The same section also calls Scanziani Italian. http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?150521 While the Neapolitan is an Italian breed, Scanziani was Swiss. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.50.5.100 (talk) 06:19, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Furthermore, Jaguars are a new world genus and as such the time frame during which baiting was widely popular and socially acceptable and the modern Neapolitan Mastiff breed would have been 0. At best, jaguar should be replaced with leopard, but I tend to doubt the veracity of the link that is used to support this. I would support removing this statement. 129.24.131.23 (talk) 00:47, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Proposed merge of Cane da Presa Meridionale into Neapolitan Mastiff

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The result of this discussion was merge. Cavalryman (talk) 10:52, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

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All this seems to be is the Neapolitan Mastiff before it was recognised by the ENCI in 1949; it's not a breed or even a population, but an organisation that hopes to create one. As such, it fails WP:NCORP. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:01, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

• Support. Fails GNG; I could find only one mention of the southern catch dog in one book. Curiously, back in 2011 the article "Cane da Presa Meridionale" was moved to "Cane da Presa" because the "Meridionale" was judged as being not necessary. See also Catch dog. William Harristalk 08:01, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
• Support – seems to be a variant of the Neapolitan Mastiff. Cavalryman (talk) 10:05, 2 March 2020 (UTC).

You can progress this now, JLAN. William Harristalk 08:27, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

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Image overkill

This page is heavily overloaded with images – Commons is the place for an extensive image gallery. I propose reducing the total number to five (one in the infobox, four in a gallery). I'd welcome comment on that idea, and on which images they should be. Ping the editors who contributed to this talk-page, William Harris, Cavalryman, Sagaciousphil and Hafspajen (the last two perhaps no longer active?). Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 13:10, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

• Strong support, fantastic cleanup, I’d cull everything outside the infobox except File:Obiettivozootecnicosulmastino antoniocrepaldi 2004.jpg. Cavalryman (talk) 13:16, 13 August 2020 (UTC).
• Support. Hafspajen left Wikipedia in 2016 as a result of cyber-bullying, and Phil left in late 2019 over "editing differences". The pix need to be illustrating something encyclopedic and not just a random collection of photos of people's pets. (However, I believe the last pix is simply adorable!) The pix with the caption "Young" might make a better infobox pix as it shows the full dog facing in the one direction and looks a fine specimen, but I am not too fussed. William Harristalk 13:22, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Cane corso

Language 2409:4073:203:8D20:0:0:279B:B8A0 (talk) 00:33, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Pictures

Pictured dogs didn't even resemble Piero Scanziani's breed standard. I changed the pictures, taking others from commons:Category:Neapolitan Mastiff.

• File:Mastinonapoletano.jpg shows the breed standard:

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  Scanziani's dog Siento, photographed in the 1950s

• File:Mastino sylwetka.jpg and File:Mastino2.jpg both show a pure-blood exemplar:

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  File:Mastino sylwetka.jpg
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  File:Mastino2.jpg

• Other standard exemplars:

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  File:Standing Neo.jpg
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  File:Larger Lucy.jpg
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  File:Neapolitan Mastiff (mastino napoletano).jpg
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  File:Neopolitan mastiff (8109976827).jpg
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  File:5 Year old male in Napoli Stance.JPG
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  File:Blue Neo puppy at 10 weeks old.JPG
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  File:Nervous Swimmer.jpg
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  File:Sad Lucy.jpg

• Here's a bunch of ultra wrinkly dogs, actually not representing the standard:

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  File:Mastino Napoletano Rüde clp.JPG
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  File:Neapolitan Mastiff Male Head.JPG
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  File:Super duper mega ultra wrinkly Neopolitan mastiff.jpg

Est. 2021 (talk · contribs) 13:43, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Well, Est. 2021, I don't know how you're able to tell from the very sparse descriptions of these various images which are and which are not "pureblooded" – I know I can't; and even if the Polish dog is "pureblooded", we certainly wouldn't need two pictures of it. After a quick look, the only even vaguely usable one I can see that is definitely taken in Italy is File:Neapolitan Mastiff (mastino napoletano).jpg. Your thoughts on that for the infobox? And on then having the Siento image in the history section, and nothing more? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:02, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

@Justlettersandnumbers: I'm a member of the Ente Nazionale della Cinofilia Italiana and I've owned a couple of certified pure-blood Neapolitan Mastiffs myself, but I don't want to label myself 'an expert' in anything; however, these dogs are clearly far from the standard, and that's why I linked the picture of Siento, the breed standard. Both 'the Polish dog' and Neo, as well as Lucy, all represent that standard. File:Neapolitan Mastiff (mastino napoletano).jpg is a pure-blood dog too, but the picture doesn't allow to focus on its body and face traits, while the pictures of the Polish exemplar are more definite, allowing to better highlight the difference between the breed standard and the currently pictured wrinkly dog. Est. 2021 (talk · contribs) 18:14, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply, Est. 2021. I let my ENCI subscription expire many, many years ago – I was fed up with reading about almost nothing but hunting (of which I'm not a fan) in I Nostri Cani. I have no in-depth knowledge of this breed (I keep these), so will defer to yours. Unfortunately, of the images available on Commons, not one is really very good (by 'good' I mean something like this – yes, that's not a dog!). So, may I suggest: your choice of the most representative whole-animal image in the infobox; the Siento picture in the History section; and nothing more? Unless, that is, there is some specific characteristic discussed in the text and shown in one of those other images? When I proposed an image gallery in 2020 the page looked like this; I no longer support my own suggestion. On the other hand, I would support Cavalryman's suggestion of including this if we had some context for the photo. Do you happen to have that Crepaldi book? Note: not pinging Cavalryman or William Harris as I know they've both left the project, most regrettably. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 09:09, 12 October 2022 (UTC)