Talk:Nebuchadnezzar IV
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Same person as Nebuchadnezzar III?
editI think this article is possibly confusing this person with Nebuchadnezzar III. PatGallacher (talk) 17:59, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
- I think you may be right. Richard75 (talk) 16:16, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
Requested move 21 December 2019
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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per discussions at Talk:Nebuchadnezzar I and Talk:Nebuchadnezzar II. If revisiting this in the future, please use the procedure shown at Wikipedia:Requested moves#Requesting multiple page moves and note Wikipedia:Correct; showing a preponderance of use in Wikipedia:Reliable sources would likely be necessary in order to gain consensus for this sort of change in the face of split usage. Dekimasuよ! 05:17, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
Nebuchadnezzar IV → Nebuchadrezzar IV – The correct spelling is Nebuchadrezzar; the second n is an error which crept into the Bible (which uses both spellings). There is a source for this in the article. (This has been discussed before here.) For consistency I suggest discussing the proposal at Talk:Nebuchadnezzar_II#Requested move 21 December 2019. Richard75 (talk) 16:02, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Hog Farm (talk · contribs) 22:49, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
Geopolitical background
- Consider linking to the city of Babylon at the first place where the city is indicated. I know it's already linked in the lead, but having a link to it would help distinguish between the Neo-Babylonian Empire, Babylonia, and Babylon itself to the reader.
- Done, must've missed this. Ichthyovenator (talk) 07:29, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Revolt against the Persians
- "the son of a man by the name of Haldita[18][17]" - Ref order, place the [17] ref before the [18] ref.
- Is there a link for Sippar?
- Must've missed this too; added link. Ichthyovenator (talk) 07:29, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- Are there any other details of what he did during his reign that are known, since we do have some of his tablets? He had the idols of two cities brought to Babylon. Surely there's something else he did?
- Nebuchadnezzar IV's reign was quite brief (3 months), took place during a chaotic time (revolt) and encompassed a small stretch of land. I think he's an interesting figure and in addition to not much being said of his actions, there are a number of unanswered questions (the biggest of which I think is why an Armenian felt so strongly about Babylonian independence) but there really isn't enough records preserved for us to know. The Persians were clearly not very interested in writing down elaborate biographies of those who rebelled against their rule. I've clarified this a bit in the text but the tablets from his reign are not really his tablets in any real sense; they are unrelated letters but mention him as king since the Babylonians dated their documents by whoever was king at the time (i. e. indicating that a document was written in the "first year of Nebuchadnezzar"). Ichthyovenator (talk) 07:29, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- I've added a little more detail but most of it is just further explanation and no "new" info. Ichthyovenator (talk) 07:56, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- Nebuchadnezzar IV's reign was quite brief (3 months), took place during a chaotic time (revolt) and encompassed a small stretch of land. I think he's an interesting figure and in addition to not much being said of his actions, there are a number of unanswered questions (the biggest of which I think is why an Armenian felt so strongly about Babylonian independence) but there really isn't enough records preserved for us to know. The Persians were clearly not very interested in writing down elaborate biographies of those who rebelled against their rule. I've clarified this a bit in the text but the tablets from his reign are not really his tablets in any real sense; they are unrelated letters but mention him as king since the Babylonians dated their documents by whoever was king at the time (i. e. indicating that a document was written in the "first year of Nebuchadnezzar"). Ichthyovenator (talk) 07:29, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
References
- The references could use ISSN, OCLC, or doi numbers where available. It really helps with identifying sources.
- The books already have ISBN but added doi numbers to all the journal sources. Ichthyovenator (talk) 07:29, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- All the sources look reliable enough.
- Religion is not explicitly stated, although his summoning of the statues I guess is confirmation enough he worshipped the Babylonian deities.
- I've put "Ancient Mesopotamian religion" in the religion field of all the Mesopotamian kings I've worked on. Being the king of Babylon has certain religious connotations and perogatives so I think it's fair to assume that he followed the same religion as previous Babylonian rulers. Ichthyovenator (talk) 07:29, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- I'm not comfortable with November 521 BC being explicitly stated as the death date in the infobox. Theoretically, "Shortly after being captured by Intaphrenes, Nebuchadnezzar IV was killed on Darius's orders" could be at the very beginning of December, given as late as it is in November.
- Yeah, fair enough. I've changed it to "November/December". Ichthyovenator (talk) 07:29, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
'Images
- Licensing looks acceptable on all
Well, I'm gonna be taking some stuff AGF on this one. I personally don't have sources that would allow me to tell if any further detail is known. You're a respected editor in this area, some I'm willing to AGF that this is pretty much all of his known actions. But if there's anything else known, it should be included. Hog Farm Bacon 23:14, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
- I've checked two books by W. F. Albright I have, as well as one by Merrill Unger, but there's no mention of this ruler. I have a book discussing all of the rulers of the Hittites, but not the Babylonians. So I'll take your word on any amount of regnal detail. Hog Farm Bacon 23:21, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you for reviewing the article! I appreciate your concern, the information on his rule is quite brief, but the article does contain (to my knowledge) everything we know of Nebuchadnezzar IV. He is a quite obscure and ephemeral Babylonian king; had he won against the Persians (however unlikely that was) we would likely know a whole lot more. Ichthyovenator (talk) 07:29, 12 August 2020 (UTC)