Talk:Need to Know (Doja Cat song)

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August 8, 2022Good article nomineeListed
Did You Know
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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Doja Cat and her directors used Blade Runner and The Fifth Element as reference points while making the music video for "Need to Know"?

Single???

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I was Googling potential sources for this article, and I couldn't help but notice that a lot of sources refer to "Need to Know" as a single. Now, I know that Doja Cat herself has said the song is not a single, but I think that we need to decide between primary and secondary sources here, as they are contradicting each other. I am curious to hear others' opinions on this, especially since these secondary sources usually only present information that has been verified by the label. D🐶ggy54321 (let's chat!) 03:00, 11 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

Yeah, I saw some sources state that it’s a single as well, but Doja did confirm on her Twitter it’s not the next single. "need to know isn’t even the next single is just some s**t before the next more important single comes out for you to enjoy", and I think the sources were mistaken. DuaLipaFan23951 (talk) 17:38, 11 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

DuaLipaFan23951 Doggy54321, I agree with both of you. The song is technically a single, yet its not as "important" as the rest of the other proper album singles (as confirmed by Doja Cat herself). This, nowadays, basically means its a promo single because its treated like an album track that's released earlier than the rest of the album. Let's wait until it gets serviced to radio before changing it to a single. cybertrip👽 ( 💬📝) 20:13, 11 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
@Cybertrip: I agree with you when you say to wait until it gets serviced to radio. If it does get serviced, the song should be listed as a single, as the label gets to choose which songs get promoted where. @DuaLipaFan23951: The sources could be mistaken, or Doja Cat could be the one who is mistaken. At the end of the day, it is up to the label to decide which songs become singles, so if the label always had a plan to promote this song as a single, the sources would have known about it in advance of the general public. Given the choice between the label's word and the artist's word, I would say to trust the label. But, we have no confirmation that the sources get exclusive information from the label, so it is probably best to wait to see if the song starts getting promoted as a single before listing it as a single. Thanks! D🐶ggy54321 (let's chat!) 03:06, 12 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
I would agree that unless it is sent to radio/label confirms it, then we should go by the artist's word. However, it does appear the label has confirmed it as a promo single. In this RCA press release, the label notably never calls it a "single" and instead refers to it as a "track". Heartfox (talk) 05:37, 12 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
I work with Walk the Moon articles, and I agree with the notion above. Case in point, the band put out a Spotify playlist that supposedly includes all of their singles, and it does not have any song that was labeled as a track in RCA's press releases unless it got serviced to radio later like "Kamikaze". ThedancingMOONpolice (talk) 06:55, 12 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
RCA calls "Kiss Me More" (the lead single) a "single" in this press release, and as aforementioned by Heartfox, they call "Need to Know" a track; so I think its safe to say that its not a single for the time being. cybertrip👽 ( 💬📝) 13:00, 13 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

Did you know?

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Desertarun (talk20:10, 1 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

Created by VersaceSpace (talk). Self-nominated at 14:54, 13 June 2021 (UTC).Reply

  •   Created three days before it was nominated. The article is long enough and neutrally written. There are a little more direct quotes than I would prefer, but I can't see that as a reason to reject it for DYK. It's well-sourced, mainly with music magazines. No copyvio detected. Hook is captivating and short enough. Nominator has fewer than 5 DYK credits, so no QPQ needed. Good to go on my end. Cstickel(byu) (talk) 20:30, 25 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

Commercial performance

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Someone should probably start a section discussing this songs chart run since it debuted top 20 then reached the top 10...3 months later at that. It's a big hit — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.69.153.170 (talk) 03:55, 4 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

GA Review

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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 06:40, 28 July 2022 (UTC)Reply


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After you reviewed "Everything We Need", I will get on with this today! --K. Peake 06:40, 28 July 2022 (UTC)Reply

Infobox and lead

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Background and release

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Composition and lyrics

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Critical reception

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Commercial performance

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Music video

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Accolades

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Charts

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Release history

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Notes

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References

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Final comments and verdict

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  • VersaceSpace Regarding the changes that you are confused about, I meant the release sentence should use "the album" instead of its title which has been fixed now and write August 31 instead, so it is less repetitive. Also, the accolades should be a separate para in reception and written out in prose since one small table is not enough to warrant a full section. --K. Peake 09:16, 29 July 2022 (UTC)Reply
  • VersaceSpace I have further comments for you; why does the Vulture ref not show "Need to Know" when I load it, can you replace the Twitter ref with a citation from Billboard magazine's website and when will you implement the remaining changes? --K. Peake 07:46, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply
    Hi @Kyle Peake: I've been waiting for Cybertrip to implement some reference changes since they expanded the article, but it seems like he's a bit busy, would waiting for him be okay? Also, would you be fine with me removing the points that have been addressed with   Done. —VersaceSpace 🌃 14:10, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply