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Suggested change to talk archiving

Latest comment: 12 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion

Hi, currently the talk pages are archived to month/year archives; this is sometimes useful in high-traffic boards, but for this one, which doesn't get that many posts, the month-year archives are somewhat sparse (see /Archives/2011/December for example). I thus propose to

move these monthly archives to numbered archives
change to use MiszaBot for archiving
Combine some of the monthly archives

Let me know if you disagree with any of the above. --KarlB (talk) 21:03, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

That all seems to make sense, so please feel free to go ahead and make the changes. - JuneGloom Talk 00:05, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Done Ok thanks. I've moved all of the year/month archives into new numbered archives - 3, 4 and 5, linked above. Please take a look. I also set it up to archive every 6 months; given the traffic here, that should likely be sufficient. --KarlB (talk) 04:06, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

1984 - Channel Seven

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Just a question. The Herald Sun is quoted an awful lot here and the notion that Reg Watson pitched the concept which became Neighbours to them in 1982 (something never stated by Watson himself as far as I know, he has persiatently referred to Channel Seven and Channel Ten). Well, that's fine, but something that has often been stated, stretching right back to the '80s, is that Watson pitched the show to Channel Seven in 1984. Yet 1984 is not mentioned here. Why not? It really is an established fact! The show was pitched to Seven in '84, Watson then went to work on the details and casting, and it appeared on screen in '85. You seem to be implying here that Watson took the concept to Seven in 1982, and they took two years to make up their minds! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.141.187.156 (talk) 02:41, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Please provide reliable sources for this established fact and it can be added. I can check a few books in case it's mentioned there. - JuneGloom Talk 00:04, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Please study James Oram's book, Neighbours Behind The Scenes (he is a respected Australian journalist). There are other on-line sources - simply Google "neighbours" 1984 "channel seven". There are interviews with various crew and cast members on Perfect Blend, but for some reason you seem to believe that one particular newspaper is an acceptable source for multiple references on this subject, but other reputable sources (and there is a Perfect Blend link on the article page and cast and crew have granted interviews, including Reg Watson) are not to be trusted. I don't understand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.141.187.156 (talk) 00:13, 19 October 2012 (UTC) Another published resource from the 1980s is the book "Soap Box" by Hilary Kingsley, which contains a "Neighbours" section, quotes from cast and crew - including Reg Watson. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.141.187.156 (talk) 00:38, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

There was also this old discussion that was on a talk page until an editor accidentally deleted it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Neighbours/Archive_5#1982_and_other_Reg_Watson.2FReg_Grundy_Organisation_soap_operas.3B_other_issues Format (talk) 22:30, 17 November 2012 (UTC) --As it was never properly discussed I'll reproduce the text below so we can comment on it here:

1982 and other Reg Watson/Reg Grundy Organisation soap operas; other issues

Latest comment: 11 years ago2 comments1 person in discussion

Following the above discussions...

This is a really interesting thread. My gut feeling is that ideas for new shows are generally pitched to all networks at various stages of their development. (I generally think that what was pitched, to whom, and at what stage of its development is unlikely to be acurately documented at the time in a news source-these are routine behind-the-scenes negotiations about future potential shows - not so interesting to the general public.)

In mid 1982 the Reg Grundy Organisation was busy producing lavish serial Taurus Rising for the Nine Network in Australia. Taurus Rising had been created by Reg Watson [1]. Taurus Rising, a Dynasty-type serial, was quickly cancelled and moved to a late night slot within the year. This article suggests Neighbours was pitched to Nine: [2] but it mentions Sale of the Century, ignoring Taurus Rising.

The following year, 1983, Channel Nine broadcast new Grundy soaps Waterloo Station (created by Reg Watson) and later, Starting Out (created by Reg Watson). These shows were both cancelled within the year. Both shows had a large number of youngsters in the cast, mixed with older parental and authority figures. David Clencie, later of Neighbours, was in Starting Out.

In 1985 Watson's soap Possession was being broadcast by the Nine Network. It was cancelled within the year. Possession featured Anne Charleston, Maggie Millar, Ally Fowler, Briony Behets who all later acted in Neighbours. (Fowler had previously been in Sons and Daughters; Millar and Behets had been in Prisoner).

I guess it is possible that Neighbours was pitched to Nine. Clearly - what with Taurus Rising, Waterloo Station, Starting Out, Possession, Prime Time (TV series), Nine were seriously considering new soap operas. And clearly Watson had been creating and pitching various soaps c.1982 (many actually got made afterall.)

On this topic I get the feeling that recent press reports on Neighbours like to conveniently ignore lots of intervening Australian soaps - it makes for a tighter, more dramatic and simpler article. However they are giving a misleading picture.

Unfortunately I can't find the "Slippery Soap" article online, but it is used in this wikipedia article as a reference suggesting Neighbours was spawned by the success of Coronation Street and Crossroads (TV series). But the suggestion that "Watson decided to create a soap opera [Neighbours] after working on Crossroads and seeing the success that it and Coronation Street were having" seems wrong to me. A quote above mentions Watson and Ian Holmes and Corrie, yet back in 1971 Ian Holmes had asked for a "Coronation Street type serial" for the Ten Network, with the result being Number 96 (TV series). (Australian TV: The First 25 Years. Melbourne, 1981); [3]. Holmes was no stranger to soaps.

There were several Australian teen soaps in the years before Neighbours, so Crossroads and Coronation Street wouldn't really have been a direct influence. To say that Watson could "decide" to create Neighbours based on the success of Crossroads and Coronation Street ignores intervening serials which surely had some influence. Watson had been working in Australian commercial television routinely creating soaps for years before Neighbours - Neighbours was just another of his soaps. He might, as he claims, had had the idea to make a Coronation Street type serial when he was in England watching that series. However it wasn't that novel an idea and pilots in Australia like Lane End (seven 30 minute episodes in 1972, featuring Carole Skinner), Somerset Street (made by Harry Michaels) and People Like Us [4] had tried the same thing (families and a suburban locale).

But overall, linking Neighbours directly to Coronation Street seem wrong because it was Number 96 (1972-1977) that came about due to the success of Coronation Street. At least one of the 96 scriptwriters, Johnny Whyte, had previously worked on Corrie. Since 96 had already been a big success on Australian TV, its influence can't really be ignored.

Number 96 had spawned a series of teen soaps in the 1970s (Class of 74, The Restless Years). The success of those two Grundy teen soaps is more likely what led to Neighbours. Coronation Street hadn't been on Australian TV since the early 1970s and wasn't really very well known in Australia at the time; there was no internet or cable TV in those days and in Australia we really never heard anything about Coronation Street at all.

On topic but a relatively minor thing: the lead of this WP Neighbours article talks of Watson's "other" soap, Sons and Daughters, yet it wasn't his "other" soap - he had several other soaps.

Format (talk) 22:18, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

As per above I see this line is still in the article: "Watson decided to create a soap opera after working on Crossroads and seeing how successful it and Coronation Street were in Britain."

It sounds so twee and naive. Watson created a host of Australian soaps/dramas starting 1975 (Until Tomorrow, The Young Doctors, Glenview High, The Restless Years and Sons and Daughters) so if he also created Neighbours, it wasn't only due to the success of Crossroads and Coronation Street. I reckon the success of TYD, TRY, S&D probably came in to it too. Format (talk) 23:16, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Repeats

Latest comment: 10 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Repeats from 2007 were shown in 2013 under the tittle "Old School Neighbours". I was expecting to see repeats from 2008 this year but I've been informed that this isn't happening. 110.32.78.35 (talk) 10:21, 9 January 2014 (UTC)Geoffrey Hilliard

NOTABLE CAST MEMBERS

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II See The List under Section NOTABLE CAST MEMBERS Is Getting Out Of Hand, There Is JUST TO MANY, Such Is The Series And Now With 30 Years Under The Belt, IT Is Rather Debatable WHO Should Be Included, As There Are So Many Notable And Extremely Popular Cast, One Member Has Suggested NOT ADDING Alan Fletcher And Jackii Woodburne, These Are Two Of The Main Cast Members, And THe Longest Serving Actors, I Suggested Vivean Gray , For THe Simple Reason As Mrs Mangel Is A Well KNown Character From The Early Days, BUT OF COURSE, THere Is Many Others That Could Be Considered, NATALIE BASSINGTHWAITE, MARGOT ROBBIE, CRAIG MCLACHLAN, PAUL KEANE, ELAINE SMITH, JANET ANDREWARTHA……., I Think Perhaps There Is To Many Disagreements Perhaps It Should Be Maybe AsSome Have Suggested This Section Be Discontinued, as everyone is listed on the section CAST LIST in an Alphabetical Arrangement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.42.15.25 (talk) 02:02, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Please refrain from using all caps, as it is considered shouting (WP:SHOUT). - JuneGloom07 Talk 03:16, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

sure, i agree this section should be removed , as many others have now requested, as Stefan Dennis, Jackie Woodburne And Alan Fletcher can not be included, which is unfair to the main long time cast.

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Notable cast members

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Why is Natalie Bassingthwaighte not in the Notable cast members section? She had a successful music career as the lead singer of Rogue Traders during her time on Neighbours and a successful solo music career after she left Neighbours. Natalie Imbruglia and Delta Goodrem are listed there because of their successful music careers and so should Natalie. 114.77.226.195 (talk) 01:42, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

There are many cast members that could be added, but then that could be seen as giving the section undue weight. I think ten was the maximum agreed on during the page's good article review. I'm not a massive fan of that section and would like to see it go, but that's probably another discussion for another day. - JuneGloom Talk 17:04, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

It was decided to base it on fellow Good Article The Bill#Notable cast members, June is right, if any more are added it would give undue weight, not everyone can be added. Keira Knightley and Sam Callis both appeared in The Bill, both very successful actors but neither of them are mentioned in The Bill's notable cast section.--5 albert square (talk) 00:41, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm sure Neighbours had a significant impact on Natalie Bassingthwaighte's music career like it did for Natalie Imbruglia's and Delta Goodrem's music careers. 114.77.226.195 (talk) 00:53, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Maybe but if we add any more to this list the page will be seen as giving undue weight to the cast members. The simple fact is not everyone can get mentioned. I suggest that you try reading the above.--5 albert square (talk) 21:51, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

I think the section does not serve much of a purpose. It is like one of those trivia lists that fill some space in a magazine. There are many cast members that go onto have good careers post Neighbours - but they cannot all be mentioned. I think this discussion could be refocused... is it really needed? If you cannot include all cast members and doing so gives the section too much weight - then it is probably best to remove it.Rain the 1 22:22, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

OK I'm resurrecting this conversation again. Personally I think now that the notable cast members section should be removed. Surely notability would be established more on the individual actors page and not on the Neighbours? The list is starting to get out of hand, only earlier on today an IP added Stefan Dennis and said that they were going to add quite a few more, in my opinion the majority were not notable enough as actors to be included. A lot of it is getting to be fancruft stuff now.--5 albert square (talk) 20:19, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

I think it might be high time we remove the section too. Since it was added there have been more notable actors come and go, and I suspect they'll be more to come. I think the undue weight argument still stands and maybe WP:TRIVIA? - JuneGloom07 Talk 00:44, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

I agree this section should be removed because it's not fair that other notable cast members such as Jackie Woodburne, Alan Fletcher and Stefan Dennis who have been on the show for a long time cannot be included in this section. AusSoaps (talk) 02:05, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Another vote for removal. Adamiow (talk) 22:33, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Agree with removal. MilborneOne (talk) 18:17, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

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Neighbours Formation - Early To Mid-1980s

Latest comment: 9 years ago4 comments3 people in discussion

I have just reverted an edit here which altered the "early-to-mid 1980s" creation period of Neighbours to "mid-1980s". According to interviews and books from the 1980s, Reg Watson set to work on the show in 1984, which is mid-1980s, but an Australian newspaper has stated in more recent years that Reg Watson pitched an idea for a Street saga to an Australian TV station in 1982. In all interviews I have read or seen, Mr Watson has referred to 1984 as being the year he set to work on Neighbours - and this would almost certainly be the year that the nuts and bolts of the show, characters, casting, setting, title (Mr Watson has stated that he had great difficulty coming up with a title), first scripts, etc, were worked out, and, with the show being launched in 1985 on one TV channel and then tweaked and relaunched on another in 1986, it would probably be most factual to say, on all available evidence from the series's early years, that the "mid 1980s" covered the show's entire creation process. Australian author James Oram, who wrote Neighbours Behind The Scenes in 1988 and who was granted access to Neighbours cast and crew at the time, points only to 1984 and not 1982 for the initial pitching of the Street saga idea. But it can take a long time from the initial vague glimmering of an idea to a finished product in the world of television, so taking on board the 1982 pitching recalled by a TV executive a few years ago, it is probably safest to pinpoint the creation process to "early-to-mid 1980s". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.141.188.55 (talk) 23:43, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

That's fine. If I'd have noticed the edit, I probably would have undone it too. - JuneGloom Talk 01:04, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

In 1982, Watson was working on soap operas Starting Out and Waterloo Station which both aired on the Nine Network in the early months of 1983, so references to him developing Neighbours in 1982 seem dubious. Format (talk) 07:44, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Just stumbled upon this interesting blog discussion which, with this article remaining unchanged, is still pertinent. http://80sactual.blogspot.com.au/2011/04/neighbours-and-wikipedia-inaccurate.html Format (talk) 01:43, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

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Erisbourgh school uniforms

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Pink\white check, with white collar and cuffs.

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Beige, with white collar and cuffs.

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1984

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Reg Watson stated that he pitched the idea of Neighbours to Channel Seven in 1984. It was often stated by the man himself and it was only after this that he got down to working on the scripts, characters, etc. Which would mean that Neighbours was created in the years 1984-1986 (allowing the revamp following the move to a new channel). This article puzzles me greatly as 1984 isn't mentioned, and Mr Watson often stated the fact - the show did not spend two years in pre-production! The 'created in the early-to-mid 1980s' tag is obviously wrong - 'mid-1980s' (1984-1986) is obviously correct. Even if Mr Watson pitched the idea of a soap opera about a street to another channel in 1982 (pitches are vague outlines, without characters and detail), the creative process of what became 'Neighbours' only began in 1984 (mid-1980s).

'In pitching the show to Seven and Ten I blithely said, “This concept can run for twenty years”. I knew from the looks on their faces that they thought they'd heard it all before.' - Reg Watson. No other mentions of 'pitching' - and the first script of Neighbours, dated 1984, is available on the 'Perfect Blend' site and elsewhere.

(31.54.67.185 (talk) 21:58, 12 May 2018 (UTC))

This whole bit in the article's History section [5] seems wrong:

"Neighbours was created in the early-to-mid-1980s by Australian TV executive Reg Watson.^[1]^[2] Watson decided to create a soap opera after working on Crossroads and seeing how successful it and Coronation Street were in Britain.^[1] He had already created such successful Australian made soap operas as The Young Doctors, Prisoner and Sons and Daughters.^[3] Watson proposed the idea of making a show that would focus on more realistic stories and portray teens and adults who talk openly to each other and solve their problems together.^[2]^[4] Watson, who worked for the Grundy production company, decided to make his show appeal to both Australia and Britain. In 2005, Darren Devlyn and Caroline Frost from the Herald Sun reported that Watson then took his idea to the Nine Network in 1982, but it was rejected.^[1]^[5] Former Network Nine chief executive Ian Johnson commented that it was one of the "biggest missed opportunities" in his twenty-four years at the network.^[1] He added "I remember it being discussed, but I'm not exactly sure what went against it. It may have had something to do with the fact we'd picked up Sale of the Century with Tony Barber in 1980 and it was doing huge business, so we didn't have a pressing need for a five-night-a-week show."^[1] Watson then took his idea to the Seven Network, who commissioned the show, following the success of his other Seven Network soap opera, Sons and Daughters.^[1] "

It is true that Reg Watson decided to create a soap opera after working on Crossroads and seeing how successful it and Coronation Street were in Britain, however that is not directly relevant to Neighbours, because the soap opera Reg Watson created on return from the UK was Until Tomorrow (1975). Then he made many other soaps and dramas: The Young Doctors (Nine, 1976), Glenview High (Seven, 1977), The Restless Years (Ten, 1977), Prisoner (Ten, 1979), Taurus Rising (Nine, 1982), Sons and Daughters (Seven, 1982), Waterloo Station (Nine, 1983), Starting Out (Nine, 1983). Saying he "decided to create a soap opera after working on Crossroads and seeing how successful it and Coronation Street were in Britain" seems wrong in the context of Neighbours, because he made many other soap operas in the intervening years - Neighbours isn't directly related to Watson's UK experiences.

The quote from Ian Johnson is seemingly used to eclipse the more credible history of Neighbours, borne out by comments made by Reg Watson himself, that Neighbours was developed in 1984, and first pitched to networks Seven and Ten in 1984. Ian Johnson was probably mistaken when he recalled that the series was pitched to the Nine Network in 1982 and rejected. His comment about not needing a five night a week show seems wrong because Nine were running The Young Doctors (starring Alan Dale) at that time, but it was experiencing reduced ratings so they changed the producer, bringing in Sue Masters, who changed the sets and many of the cast. But The Young Doctors was cancelled in 1982. For 1983, Nine debuted new Grundy soap Waterloo Station which was created by Reg Watson. Waterloo Station failed and was taken off after a few months in 1983. To replace The Young Doctors, Nine then screened five-night-a-week Grundy soap Starting Out which was created by Reg Watson. Starting Out was set in a medical college and featured cast members David Clencie and Peter O'Brien. Like The Young Doctors, it was produced by Sue Masters. Starting Out debuted 18 April 1983. It was cancelled a few months later due to low ratings.

Another Nine soap opera The Sullivans was also cancelled in 1982. The final scenes were shot on 19 July 1982 and the last episode screened in early 1983.

In the second half of 1982, Nine broadcast one hour a week drama serial Taurus Rising. Taurus Rising had been created by Reg Watson [6].

So Ian Johnson's comments about not needing a new soap opera in 1982 due to Sale of the Century seem wrong because Nine cancelled two long running soaps that year, and started three new soaps in late 1982/early 1983. One of the new 1983 soaps was five nights a week as well.

Reg Watson then created soap opera Possession for the Nine Network in 1985. It was cancelled within the year.

Was there a pitch for a Neighbours-like concept in the middle of all these Nine Network soaps that Reg Watson actually created and which were broadcast by Nine in 1982-1983? Maybe, but how relevant is this information? That pitch would only have been very vague. It seems odd that one quote from the Herald Sun-Slippery Soap article is used so heavily to push the 1982 Nine Network pitch idea, when no comments from Reg Watson or the Grundy Organisation mention any 1982 pitch to Nine, or that pitch being rejected. Overall the 1982 pitch to the Nine Network seems to have been given undue weight in this article.

The line "Watson then took his idea to the Seven Network, who commissioned the show, following the success of his other Seven Network soap opera, Sons and Daughters." also seems wrong. Neighbours would not have directly been commissioned due to Sons and Daughters. It would have been commissioned because Reg Watson and the Reg Grundy Organisation were well known as the top soap opera production company in Australia at the time. It seems wrong to single out Sons and Daughters as the show being directly responsible for Seven picking up Neighbours.

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^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f Fidgeon, Robert (12 March 2005). "Slippery Soap". Herald Sun. The Herald and Weekly Times. pp. 2–3.
^ ^a ^b Kaye, Jeff (3 June 1991). "Australian Soap Comes to U.S." The Los Angeles Times. Tribune Company. Archived from the original on 24 May 2010. Retrieved 22 December 2009. {{cite news}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
^ Mercado, Andrew, p. 201
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^ Devlyn, Darren; Frost, Caroline (19 August 2010). "Neighbours – happy 25th birthday to a suburban legend". Herald Sun. The Herald and Weekly Times. Retrieved 25 April 2011.

3 month rule

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I think the 3-month rule should be reduced to 2. 3 months is a ridiculous amount of time to wait. AaronS567 (talk) 20:49, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

If you're meaning this, you need to take that up on Talk:List of Neighbours characters and not this talk page.-- 5 Albert square (talk) 20:55, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Births, Marriages and Deaths list

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The Births, Marriages and Deaths section has gone. I assume it will be back after updates. When?203.219.151.201 (talk) 22:12, 26 March 2020 (UTC)Geoffrey Hilliard

The article was deleted at WP:AfD, along with several others of the type. It's unlikely it will ever be recreated. - JuneGloom07 Talk 03:20, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Please bring it back! 203.220.170.237 (talk) 00:53, 2 April 2020 (UTC)Geoffrey Hilliard

Sorry, but like I said, it's unlikely to be recreated. It was pretty much WP:FANCRUFT and the information is covered elsewhere. You can view the deletion discussion here, if you wish. - JuneGloom07 Talk 01:07, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Request for info: episodes per week in 2022 (AUS/UK)

Latest comment: 2 years ago5 comments3 people in discussion

Been keeping an eye on this since this basically nonsensical article, which is currently unavoidably followed in the broadcast section. JuneGloom07 recently edited Gemma Ramsay with a source (that I do not have access to) stating that the character returns on 7 January - a Friday, seemingly suggesting that Australian broadcast is going back to five episodes a week in 2022 after all. Is that the case? U-Mos (talk) 01:46, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

I believe the source was a UK television programme schedule, but I may be wrong. Personally, I think the Neighbours articles should stick to the Australian pace. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 02:13, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

The source is based on UK broadcasts. 10 Peach will continue to air four episodes a week. I'm not so sure about sticking to Aus pace when the episode airs in the UK first, but I'll have a look for any similar situations first. - JuneGloom07 Talk 04:30, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

OK, schedule info for the coming week has confirmed this bizarre situation now. Who knows what the long term plan is, as surely 10 Peach can't be intending to fall behind the UK exponentially. But we can only work with what's in front of us. I think for now at least infobox listings should continue to state AUS airdates, and in prose - such as the situation at Gemma Ramsay (who will be returning on 10 January in Australia) - both UK and AUS dates should be mentioned. U-Mos (talk) 23:00, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

I agree with you. Really not happy about 10 Peach's decision to do this... Therealscorp1an (talk) 00:45, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Needed: a section listing careers launched

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There have been many major ones, yes? Boscaswell talk 06:43, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Gay characters

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The text suggests that Lana was the first recurring gay character, but Gino Esposito the hairdresser preceded her, I think? He was around for at least a year or two, recurring rather than full-time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.174.137.165 (talk) 14:37, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Cancellation

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Since the show's being cancelled^[1], I've changed it to 'was' instead of 'is', although i guess it's not officially over until august/september. other editors have included the cancellation but not changed it to was so idk, if someone thinks it's premature to 'was' Neighbours feel free to revert ^^ Hopolapopola (talk) 10:22, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

ah nevermind, i should read the style for tv show pages, was mislead by other pages i've seen oop Hopolapopola (talk) 10:23, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

I do agree, saying "was" does seem more natural and it sounds correct, so it's certainly common to see pages say 'was' rather than 'is'. In this instance I changed it back to 'is' more because the series hasn't finished airing yet - although MOS:TVNOW takes a harder line, it's true. But no problem. :) Bonusballs (talk) 10:29, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Depends on how much you like Neighbours, fans would point out it does have a few months left, but it's an inevitable change, regardless. FYI I have never seen an episode, clip or more than a handful of frames from news websites saying it will/has/was axed. — Bacon Noodles (talk • contribs • uploads) 11:49, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes- per the guideline linked above (and here as well now: MOS:TVNOW), it should stay as, "Neighbours is an Australian television soap opera that..." even when the series has concluded airing. Other tense changes in the article (from present to future) would be fine.

Same thing regarding the infobox (that I added a hidden note about), per the template instructions, this should remain as 'present' until the final episode has aired. Once that has aired, it is fine to insert the end date there. Until that time comes, it should remain as 'present'. Magitroopa (talk) 17:21, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

References

^ https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/celebrity/neighbours-axed-good-programme-makers-26369475

Infobox first_run parameter

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This is what the template documentation Template:Infobox television has to say about the first_run parameter:

first_run = The nation in which the series first aired, if different from country parameter

and

The country or region where the show was first broadcast.

The documentation doesn't make any distinction for tranches of episodes, it simply refers to the series/show. In this case, it's indisputable that Neighbours was first broadcast in Australia. The fact that in 2022 the UK overtook Australia is something for the body of the article to tackle - it doesn't change that fact that the show was first broadcast in Australia. H. Carver (talk) 02:32, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I believe that is the case. For example, if it were first broadcast/aired in the UK as some sort of sneak peek/preview in 1984 (prior to the 18 March 1985 AU premiere), then it would be appropriate to use first run. 'First run' doesn't mean the first time at all it is broadcast in another region, it means where it was first aired if it's not the country of origin + prior to the country of origin's premiere. Magitroopa (talk) 04:28, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Cancellation 2.0

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Network 10 Australia has announced September 2022 will be the airing dates of the Final Episodes. No set dates for the dates of airing. 2001:8004:50E0:12AE:8DB1:A8DD:6397:7E8B (talk) 04:47, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you

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This is a small tribute to all the editors who have contributed to the articles in the scope of Neighbours. @JuneGloom07, Raintheone, DaniloDaysOfOurLives, U-Mos, Conquistador2k6, Soaper1234, DarkGlow, B.Davis2003, AnemoneProjectors, 5 albert square, TheQueenVic97, and Jackedano: You guys are just some of the many people who have put so much hard dedication into this soap opera's articles, so I thank you for that. Please ping any other editors I have missed below (and I am so sorry if I have missed you)! Thank you, everyone, for all your work – well done – and we will see each other editing! - Therealscorp1an (talk) 12:53, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Including British Channels on Neighbours

Latest comment: 1 year ago4 comments3 people in discussion

I am trying to improve the Neighbours page by adding the British channels that aired the Australian soap opera because Neighbours didn't just air in Australia, it also aired in the United Kingdom as well, and even throughout the entire run and towards the end it was made for just UK audiences, that's why I included the correct date on when the soap finished which was 29 July 2022. I understand that it ended on 28 July in Australia but I kindly ask if my edit on list of British channels that aired Neighbours can be approved because like I said, it didn't just air in Australia, it aired in the UK as well and Grundy funded the show for the BBC and Channel 5 funded it as well, thank you. 82.19.124.151 (talk) 22:56, 12 November 2022 (UTC) 82.19.124.151 (talk) 22:56, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

I understand where you are coming from, but the infobox airdates are meant for the original airdates only (18 March 1985 – 28 July 2022). I understand that Neighbours was a huge show in the United Kingdom, however making the accusation that the finale was made primarily for British audiences in WP:OR. If we were to add the British airdates in the infobox, then all the other airdates in different countries should be added as well. That's Ireland, New Zealand, Belgium and even the United States for a while, but this would clutter the already long infobox. I hope you understand. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 23:37, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

The Infobox Television template is very clearly documented. For the 'network' parameter, it says "The original network(s) on which the show has appeared. Do not add foreign broadcasters here. Use links if articles are available." (Emphasis mine.)

Similarly, the 'last_aired' parameter, it says "The first air date of the show's last episode on its original network." (Again, emphasis mine.)

This is why your edits to the infobox are being reverted; there's nothing you can say that will change the fact that the edits you want to make are not supported by the template guidelines.

I don't think anyone is disputing that the UK is an important market for the show. But that's covered elsewhere in the article. The last paragraph of the lead mentions the popularity of the show in the UK, and in the Broadcast section, the UK is the only international market to have a subsection of its own.

In summary, the infobox is a summary of information filled out per the template guidelines, and the rest of the article has the detail and nuance. I don't think there's any mistaking that the UK was an important market for the show. H. Carver (talk) 01:46, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Well actually Grundy and Fremantle, the two production companies who made Neighbours have always said that the UK, has always been it's main broadcast partner, so it makes sense that the UK networks BBC One and Channel 5 should be on the list of networks which broadcast, so can you please think about it and let me revert your edit, thanks. 82.19.124.151 (talk) 00:32, 13 November 2022 (UTC) 82.19.124.151 (talk) 00:32, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Back on Network 10?

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AUS viewers may be able to help with this. We know that the show is returning for first broadcast on "Network 10" in Australia, per the announcement video. Is this confirmation that it has been promoted back to the main channel? Or can "Network 10" refer to the network as a whole, meaning it might well still be on 10 Peach? U-Mos (talk) 13:26, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

It means that from now on, Neighbours will be shown on the main channel instead of 10 Peach 82.19.124.151 (talk) 19:29, 17 November 2022 (UTC) 82.19.124.151 (talk) 19:29, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

@U-Mos: I assumed that it meant Network 10 as a whole. 10 Peach is owned by them and has been the channel episodes have been broadcast on for the past 11 or so years, so I am assuming that it still means 10 Peach, but with limited information at the moment, I could be wrong. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 21:05, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

10's social media channels (both main channel and 10 Peach) have posted a video, but with the Network 10 branding, which could indicate main channel. Is it worth leaving off the infobox for the time being? U-Mos (talk) 21:28, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

I don't mind if we keep it as it is or we just also update the 10 Peach bracket, so both have open dashes, until we get more information. Also, I am assuming that we do not add Amazon Prime or Freevee to the infobox as it will not the original broadcaster? - Therealscorp1an (talk) 21:33, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Actually, I think we should. This is a co-production deal, which makes Freevee (not Prime though) an original network for the show's return. They have commissioned the show with Network 10. U-Mos (talk) 21:38, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

If anything, on the little information we have we're assuming that 10 is still commissioning the show with Amazon, but given they're showing it first in Australia that seems likely enough to keep as listed. U-Mos (talk) 21:49, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Should it even be in the infobox as '2022-' for Network 10? I don't see how that works with sources saying that production won't even start until 2023. Feels like it should either be '2023-', or not entered until broadcasting of new episodes starts again. H. Carver (talk) 22:44, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

A bit annoying, but 2022 because the finale was on Network 10 in July. U-Mos (talk) 22:54, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Ah, I understand now. Feels like this is something that could be made clearer in the article; there's one mention I can see of the finale being on Network 10 (outside of the lead), but it's not entirely clear this was the first broadcast rather than a repeat or showing addition to 10 Peach. Are there reliable Australian media references that can support this?

Also - just throwing this out there - as 2022 was a finale, arguably the infobox could more accurately reflect the broadcast history by reading '2022, 2023-' or '2022 (finale), 2023-'. H. Carver (talk) 23:40, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

List of countries where Neighbours was shown

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In the article here and other pages elsewhere on the internet it's mentioned that Neighbours was shown in more than 60 countries. I've tried to find a list of all countries or to compile such list myself, but I had no luck. The countries I was able to verify are listed in the German language article. Maybe someone can add more countries? -- MenschHeidt (talk) 11:22, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

The countries I am aware of is Australia, the UK, Ireland, New Zealand, the US, Canada and Belgium. Are there any more? - Therealscorp1an (talk) 23:51, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Mackenzie article

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Hello Neighbours fans, I'm continually ashamed at the lack of a page for arguably the show's most important character in the last few years, so I've started a draft at Draft:Mackenzie Hargreaves. Mostly information culled from elsewhere currently, with a skeleton for structure and a few bare links to incorporate. Feel free to jump in and contribute! U-Mos (talk) 14:58, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Article is now in the mainspace. U-Mos (talk) 16:30, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Episode 8904 incoming

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Draft:Episode 8904 is begun, containing a skeleton and reference links to be filled in. Also useful for links to add new content to certain Terese Willis and Toadie Rebecchi pages... U-Mos (talk) 19:50, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

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[5] Devlyn, Darren; Frost, Caroline (19 August 2010). "Neighbours – happy 25th birthday to a suburban legend". Herald Sun. The Herald and Weekly Times. Retrieved 25 April 2011.

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