Talk:Neil Druckmann

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Neil Druckmann/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Anarchyte (talk · contribs) 10:27, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

I'll review this now. --Anarchyte 10:27, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Comments and Feedback

• Copyvio rating: 42.5% chance of violation.

This shouldn't be a worry as most of the 'violations' are the words "The Last of Us: Left Behind" and "The Last of Us".

Lead

• Everything is fine here, covers all the points said in the article (as far as I can see)

Early life

• Everything is fine here

Career

• Druckmann met Naughty Dog co-founder Jason Rubin at the Game Developers Conference, when they began talking. In 2004, Druckmann joined Naughty Dog as a programming intern, before being promoted to a full-time position as a gameplay programmer a few months later.<ref name="Creative"/>

Hmm... Maybe this could be reworded in a way? Something like:

"At the Game Developers Conference, Druckmann met Naughty Dog co-founder Jason Rubin. After Druckmann "bugged" Rubin, Rubin gave him his business card. In 2004, Druckmann joined Naughty Dog as a programming intern, before being promoted to a full-time position as a gameplay programmer a few months later.<ref name="Creative"/>"

EDIT: Page has since been edited.

Personal life

• Everything is fine here

Works

• Everything is fine here

Awards and nominations

• Everything is fine here

GA Criteria

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose is "clear and concise", without copyvios, or spelling and grammar errors:

   B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. Has an appropriate reference section:

   B. All in-line citations are from reliable sources:

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused:

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

   Reviewer Comment: A few good faith edits and test edits were done but they soon ended.

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:

   B. Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail: (Pass)

Another good article on subjects of The Last of Us, good job. :)
Anyway, all the files used in the article are under the creative commons so they're fine to use, there's no violation of WP:BLP and everything seems to be in order. The only issue I found has been stated above and it's really not that big of a deal. Promoted to GA. --Anarchyte 11:06, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Israeli American

Per the Israeli American article, Druckmann is Israeli American. User:Cliftonian seems to have an issue with this (on multiple pages curiously). Druckmann consistently brings up his Israeli heritage in interviews, often as the first thing when describing his background, it's brought up by reliable sources as well. I have never seen Druckmann, nor a reliable source, describe himself/him as an American. Anyway, feel free to chime in. (And "no, he's American" isn't going to cut it.) Drsmoo (talk) 20:15, 15 March 2016 (UT

Okay, well put the sources in then and we're good to go. Please don't accuse me of having "an issue" with something, it implies bad faith on my part. If the sources are so unequivocal this shouldn't be hard to fix. Cheers, —  Cliftonian (talk)  20:21, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Sure, apologies for any rudeness, one moment. Drsmoo (talk) 20:38, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Removal of Druckmann's Interest in a Film

Neil Druckmann has very vocally stated that they're no longer interested in making a film based on The Last of Us. I'm not sure why in the intro bio it says he's currently working on producing a film adaptation of it, but there's no apparent source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Obscureatlas (talk • contribs) 19:19, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

 Done – Rhain ☔ 00:23, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

male feminist

This guy is a male feminist, can someone add Category:Male feminists to the page. --2001:8003:59DB:4100:DC89:C91C:F319:74B8 (talk) 01:45, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Nah they won't add that, socialist Wikipedia will keep this article clean, never talk about the controversy, how he went from intern to game director in a few years, how he stole the job of a female writer responsible for the success of the first game and instead turned the second game into SJW propaganda, they will NEVER put any of this in because CNN or the New York Times doesnt talk about his. If you want actual facts, Wikipedia is not where to go anymore. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.145.150.240 (talk) 06:36, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

None of that is relevant to this discussion. The category has already been added to the page. – Rhain ☔ 07:37, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Non-neutral writing

In particular, the #Writing style section seems to have an editorialized style to it, possibly even autobiographical. A sample:

Druckmann's writing philosophy, which he realized while talking to game designer Cory Barlog, is "simple story, complex characters"; Druckmann dislikes video games with complicated exposition, but enjoys writing complex character relationships. Throughout his writing, Druckmann approaches scenes with focus on every character, attempting to enter the mindset of each one. He tries to ignore character tropes in an attempt to write "honestly". Druckmann also writes with a minimalist mindset, often asking himself "What is this scene really about? What's the least we have to say or do to convey that and no more?"

I think the entire section should be either removed or incorporated into other sections. --49.205.113.37 (talk) 00:30, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Any explanation as to how this is "non-neutral writing"? Seems pretty straightforward to me, and this is fairly standard for other writers/directors. – Rhain ☔ 00:37, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

If a single paragraph is the one that you consider "unneutral", the addition of tags is not justified. The tags are added for serious issues that can't be easily solved, not just to mark something that might be wrong. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 01:59, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

TLOU2 won "universal acclaim" from critics according to metacritic. In both the lead and body section the reception from critics is mischaracterized.

Bear with me, I do not know how to use this website.

"His writing work on The Last of Us Part II earned praise from some critics for its nuance, though reception to its pacing and themes was mixed..."

"The story polarized critics; some praised the writing for its nuance and effectiveness, while others criticized its pacing and repetition of themes."

The citation for "mixed" is one aspect of a five star review from GamesRadar+ by Alex Avard. The Vox review is genuinely negative but it also was not scored by Metacritic. Several unscored reviews are referenced in the Wikipedia page for the game and I recognize that Metacritic cannot capture the full range of critical response because it cannot score every review. Be that as it may, 7 out of 11 excerpts from the unscored reviews on Metacritic are positive. There are the heavy-hitters from Kotaku and Polygon that are mostly negative, sure. But there still is no justification for the half-good, half-bad characterizations in the page's lead and body paragraphs.

TLOU2 polarized the player audience, no doubt. But it received universal acclaim from professional critics and these two sentences on the page are muddling that fact. The lead on the page for the game is much better because it characterizes the reception from critics as "critical acclaim", to begin with, while more justifiably referencing the criticisms of its "narrative and themes."

Change this. It is very important actually that we remind readers of the yawning distance between video game critics and video game audiences. Gamergate happened and whatever your feelings about it it was a good demonstration of that distance. 66.67.125.175 (talk) 18:42, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

"Israel Settler"

I am aware that this is a contentious category considering how Druckmann was a child when he lived in an Israeli settlement in the West Bank, however, the category's description state that it's for "current or former" Israeli residents of the West Bank, not that it's for adults only. That being said, there perhaps might be an exception for residents who were children when they were in settlements that I am not aware of- as opposed to Israeli adults who live in the West Bank voluntarily- so do let me know if this category is inappropriate. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 02:44, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Seems a bit of a stretch to me, as he was only there as a young child (left when he was about 11). Labeling someone as a "settler" seems to imply a degree of volition which was not the case here. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 04:00, 7 February 2023 (UTC)