Talk:Nelson (cat)

Page move

I believe this article should be moved to Nelson (cat) to be consistent with Larry (cat), Freya (cat), Sybil (cat), Humphrey (cat), Wilberforce (cat), Peta (cat), Peter III (cat), and Peter II (cat). Tim O'Doherty (talk) 16:48, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Voorts (talk · contribs) 13:07, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Forthcoming. voorts (talk/contributions) 13:07, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Completed. voorts (talk/contributions) 13:46, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a. (prose, spelling, and grammar):

   Looks good after copy edit.

   b. (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

   Meets relevant criteria.

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a. (reference section):

   Some of the references are a bit redundant (i.e., they are agency reports published across multiple publications).

   b. (citations to reliable sources):

   Verified all of the sources.

   c. (OR):

   Checked for synth from the sources.

   d. (copyvio and plagiarism):

   Used Earwig's tool and checked against sources cited.

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a. (major aspects):

   There's nothing about what happened after his term ended. The lede says he was the mouser from May 1940 – May 1944, the infobox says May 1940 – ?, and there's nothing in the body indicating when his term ended, what he did after, or his death.

   @voorts I couldn't find anything on those aspects, I'm afraid. Chief Mouser to the Cabinet Office gives his term at "1940s", which isn't good enough; I used the first and last known active dates I had sources for for the "floruit" range in the lead, and as I don't know when his term ended or when he died, I simply put a question mark because the paper trail runs cold. If you'd like, I can add a sentence to the end of the article: "The dates of the end of his term and of his death are not known". Tim O'Doherty (talk) 16:09, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

   I'm looking through the archives to see if I can find anything. In the meantime, I found this (which might make for a good DYK): Even at the darkest moment in May 1940, when the Germans were seemingly about to invade Britain, Churchill punctuated his morning's dictating of urgent memos by gazing affectionately at Nelson, his cat, beside him on the eiderdown, and saying: 'Cat, darling.' [1] voorts (talk/contributions) 16:26, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

   There's also this: To digress, Churchill much admired Nelson and even named his favorite cat, Lord Nelson, and often admonished his furry friend in the dark hours of the battle of Britain, "Nelson, you must be brave and resolute, like your namesake, for the good of England." [2] voorts (talk/contributions) 16:34, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

   Lots here too, but I'm not sure how reliable this source is; might be better to find the book mentioned in the article and cite it. voorts (talk/contributions) 16:36, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

   I've finished my search and found nothing. Please add a sentence about how his whereabouts after No. 10 are unknown. I also found this article, which notes that a historian was unable to find a photograph of Nelson for an exhibit at the Imperial War Museum. voorts (talk/contributions) 16:41, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

   @voorts - Done. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 16:46, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

   ✓ Pass The other suggestions aren't necessary for GA, but they might be good additions to the article. voorts (talk/contributions) 16:48, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

   b. (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

   Checked article history and talk page.

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a. (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales):

   Fair use rationales look good.

   b. (appropriate use with suitable captions):

   Image is of the cat.

7. Overall:

   Pass/fail:

(Criteria marked are unassessed)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cielquiparle (talk) 08:51, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

( Comment or view )

( Article history links:

• Nelson (cat)
• Munich Mouser

)

• ... that the Munich Mouser, Neville Chamberlain's pet, and Nelson, Winston Churchill's pet, had a rivalry during World War II? Source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/27/forget-larry-palmerston-original-number-10-cat-rivalry-revealed/ "However there was already an occupant – Mr Chamberlain’s cat, dismissively nicknamed 'The Munich Mouser' [...] In the end, Nelson – Sir Winston’s cat – triumphed. The Munich Mouser was chased out of Number 10 and he moved in alone"
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Albert Bahhuth
  • Comment: Munich Mouser is a 5x expand, not a GA promotion. Last week it was at 114 words, and is now at 585. For that article, I did Template:Did you know nominations/Running Out of Time (Paramore song)

Improved to Good Article status by Tim O'Doherty (talk). Self-nominated at 22:32, 18 July 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Nelson (cat); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Tim O'Doherty: Good articles. Onegreatjoke (talk) 16:58, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

• Not quite a 5x expansion for Munich Mouser. I'm seeing 670 B (115 words) expanded to 2725 B (461 words) of "readable prose size". Note that block quotes aren't counted per A2 (I'm using prosesize.js). gobonobo ^{+ c} 17:46, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

@gobonobo Right. I used a manual word count checker for that article. I'm going on holiday tomorrow—in fact, I was packing my bag when I got the notification—and I thought that it was a fivefold expansion. Could you please do a IAR here, as I'm a bit pushed for time and I still think the article counts as "new enough". If not, I'll see what I can do. Best, Tim O'Doherty (talk) 18:07, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

@Tim O'Doherty I have no problem with waiting until you've returned from vacation. Or, if you want to just proceed with DYK for the Nelson article and the same hook, the only difference is that Munich Mouser wouldn't be bolded. gobonobo ^{+ c} 18:23, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

@Gobonobo - Thanks for that. I'm planning to take Munich to GA after I come back; might we wait until then? I'd quite like it to be a joint-article hook. If that means waiting a bit longer, I'd be game. Cheers, Tim O'Doherty (talk) 18:28, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

@Tim O'Doherty I'd have no problem with that. Happy vacation, gobonobo ^{+ c} 18:34, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

• @Tim O'Doherty and Gobonobo: Its been almost a month now, is this ready for a new look? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:31, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

I'll nominate Munich in a week or two. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 15:20, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Munich Mouser is now expanded past 5x. Everything checks out for DYK. gobonobo ^{+ c} 15:43, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Alright. Thanks, gobonobo. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 16:03, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Hyphens

Hi Tim, firstly, thanks for this set of pet articles, they've been fun to read! I think centuries take a hyphen in this case per MOS:CENTURY ... "When used adjectivally they contain a hyphen (nineteenth-century painting or 19th-century painting)". I added one to Munich too. Happy to leave it to you. JennyOz (talk) 07:59, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

@JennyOz - Ah, I see. My apologies. Thanks for that; I enjoyed writing them. The articles are steadily cruising towards a good topic nomination. Best, Tim O'Doherty (talk) 15:48, 4 September 2023 (UTC)