Talk:Nelson hold

Pictures

Could we get some better pictures. The ones we have now are pretty hard to see where the arms are actually located. Combat52

Ummm-no offence meant to anyone but maybe we could get the pictures changed, just because Farmer Burns is in fact performing the technique incorrectly. Notice in the pictures of the half nelson that Burns' forearm is placed under the bicep of his opponent; which is incorrect. It should be under and inside the deltoid. Also, the photo of Burns' performing the 3/4 Nelson is incorrect. The picture shows a "re-inforced Half Nelson, not the 3/4. For the 3/4 nelson, Burns should have locked in the half nelson with his right arm and then reached underneath his man with the left, grabbing his own hand at the hairline for the crank. Oops. --Beebee2 13:50, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree, 3/4 is wrong. The 1/2 is still a half, just a really poorly performed one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.186.96.205 (talk) 02:03, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Origin of name

I'm unclear why it's called a 'nelson': at the beginning of the piece it says it was named after Horatio Nelson and towards the end it says it was named after wrestler Bobby Nelson?

I'm not sure if the individual who wrote this article is either a quarter-moron or a half-moron, but the description of a half nelson is in fact identical to a quarter nelson. Motion to remove the term "quarter nelson" from the English language and cast it into Hades. All in favour say "fifth nelson." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.173.100.24 (talk) 05:15, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Bobby Nelson

Bobby Nelson is rumored falsely to have invented the nelson holds (this includes the full nelson). He was born long after they were considered wrestling fundamentals. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.78.215.180 (talk) 18:36, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

The holds themselves are no doubt prehistoric; you can see the full nelson in a Medieval Italian martial arts manual. In 18th century England it was called the pillory. That doesn't mean it can't be named after a particular wrestler, even if they didn't invent it, e.g. BJJ guys call a kind of bent armlock a kimura, even though Kimura certainly didn't invent it, he just won a famous fight with it. Megalophias (talk) 19:23, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

But you are right, Bobby Nelson the pro wrestler was way too late for it to be named after him. Megalophias (talk) 19:31, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

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