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The first three sources are obviously not reliable for the claim and I cannot access the other two. I do not believe this claim should be made, at least not without mention of the motivations behind these authors which is given for other emperors whom have been written about by these authors. Traumnovelle (talk) 06:15, 16 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
Suetonius says Doryphorus, doesn't mention the Saturnalia and doesn't provide any other dating. Edwards in the OUP's Oxford World's Classics edition translates "cui etiam, sicut ipsi Sporus, ita ipse denupsit" it as "with this man he played the role of bride, as Sporus had done with him", which seems reasonable. Lewis and Short are very specific about this use: "Obscene, of a mock marriage, Tac. A. 15, 37; Suet. Ner. 29."[1]. I've removed the citation to Suetonius. NebY (talk) 12:54, 16 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
We cite the 1925 Loeb translation of Cassius Dio that says "In due time, though already "married" to Pythagoras, a freedman, he formally "married" Sporus" - quotation marks around 'married' in the Loeb (the Greek is καίπερ Πυθαγόρᾳ τινὶ ἐξελευθέρῳ γεγαμημένος[2]). That leaves Tacitus as providing the apparently fullest account, though he doesn't describe Pythagoras as a freedman, only as "ex illo contaminatorum grege" (Loeb: "one of that filthy horde"). Our modern source Frier (archived here, though the archive may still be slow following a recent attack) seems to accept Tacitus completely and use him for a discussion of the standing of such ceremonies. I don't have access to Champlin. Personally, and I'm no expert, I find Tacitus's account rather insubstantial, coloured in by his familiar scorn and fury, but Frier's confident enough to synthesise "his wine steward, a freedman named Pythagoras". NebY (talk) 13:32, 16 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
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