Talk:Neville Chamberlain (police officer)/GA1

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Reviewer: Steelkamp (talk · contribs) 14:16, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello. I will be doing a good article review of this article. I aim to get the review done within the next few days. If you would like to return the favour, I have several good article nominations active right now. Good luck. Steelkamp (talk) 14:16, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Good article criteria

Well written

• Maybe spell out the IBSF in full. Steelkamp (talk) 14:58, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
  • No problem. Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:45, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
• (despatch dated 31 March 1900) – Is that meant to be a citation? Doesn't really appear encyclopedic just in the prose like that. I don't know. Steelkamp (talk) 16:03, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
  • Removed, integrated. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:07, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
• Should Sinn Féin be linked? Steelkamp (talk) 23:11, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
  • Sure. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:07, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Verifiable with no original research

• Luckily for me, I have access to reference 1 through the Wikipedia Library and reference 19 through some other means. For the other three print references, I will have to assume good faith. Steelkamp (talk) 14:58, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
• The archive for reference 3 does not want to load for me. I tried Google Chrome, Firefox and Microsoft Edge. Is that the case for you? Is it possible to use an archive from a different archiving service? Steelkamp (talk) 14:58, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
• Not required for GA, but reference 3 is dead, so you might want to put the archive link in front of the original link. If would do it myself, but Template:Cite web is not used so I won't. Steelkamp (talk) 14:58, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
• All references appear to be from reliable sources. I have yet to check each one to see if they match up with the article. Steelkamp (talk) 14:58, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
  • Reference 3 seems to have been fixed by another user :). Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:44, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
• Early life section is ok for sourcing. Steelkamp (talk) 16:03, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
• Chamberlain was commissioned a sub-lieutenant in the 11th Foot on 9 August 1873 – Source doesn't support that. Could just use reference 1 instead. Steelkamp (talk) 16:03, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:15, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

    Source says second lieutenant instead of sub-lieutenant. Link also leads to second lieutenant. Steelkamp (talk) 16:44, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

• and promoted to lieutenant on 9 August 1874. – Source simply says August 1874. Steelkamp (talk) 16:03, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:15, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
• He served with Roberts at Ootacamund between 1881 and 1884. – Don't think the reference there supports that, at least not the 1884 bit. That's also out of line with reference 1, which says Chamberlain was an aide-de-camp to Sir Frederick Roberts when he served as commander-in-chief in Madras between 1881 and 1885. Steelkamp (talk) 16:03, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:15, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
• while his actual rank was still that of captain. – Citation needed. Steelkamp (talk) 16:03, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:15, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
• Substantive promotion to major followed on 9 August 1894 – Citation needed. Steelkamp (talk) 16:03, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:15, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
• He was made a Companion of the Order of the Bath in 1900. – Source doesn't appear to support that. Am I looking at the right thing? Steelkamp (talk) 16:03, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:15, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
• He was appointed Knight Commander of the Order of the Bath (KCB) during a royal visit to Ireland in August 1903, – The source doesn't say it was during a royal visit. Steelkamp (talk) 22:58, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:15, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
• Knight Commander of the Royal Victorian Order (KCVO) in 1911 – Source doesn't appear to support that. Steelkamp (talk) 22:58, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
  • removed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:15, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
• @Lee Vilenski: Chamberlain also has a biography in the Dictionary of Irish Biography (https://www.dib.ie/biography/chamberlain-sir-neville-francis-fitzgerald-a1602). --Scolaire (talk) 10:27, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Broad in its coverage

• Chamberlain died on 28 May 1944 aged 88. – You could change this to Chamberlain died from myocarditis at his home on 28 May 1944, aged 48. As that information is there in the reference, you'd might as well use it. Steelkamp (talk) 14:58, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
  • Sure. Pretty sure he was 88, mind ;). Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:45, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
    • Of course :). Steelkamp (talk) 16:03, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
• Birthplace should be mentioned. Steelkamp (talk) 16:03, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
  • added Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:05, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
• He was educated at Brentwood School, and the Royal Military College, Sandhurst. – Maybe change this to He was educated abroad, at Brentwood School in Essex, and at the Royal Military College, Sandhurst. Steelkamp (talk) 16:03, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
  • What do we gain by saying "abroad"? Abroad from where? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:05, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
• Reference 1 says awarded the campaign medal with four clasps and a bronze star. Is that maybe relevant to mention? Steelkamp (talk) 16:03, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
  • I don't think it's all that relevant.
• Marriage and daughter should be added to the article. Steelkamp (talk) 16:03, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
  • Added note. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:05, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

    His wife died before he did, and his daughter's death date is not mentioned in the source. Steelkamp (talk) 16:49, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Stable

• No edit wars or content disputes. Article passes this criterion. Steelkamp (talk) 14:58, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Illustrated, if possible

• Copyright status of the sole image used is acceptable. Steelkamp (talk) 14:58, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
• If all the caption is saying is his name (which is already at the top of the infobox), then I think there should be no caption. WP:CAP allows for no caption in this case. Steelkamp (talk) 14:58, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
• This isn't necessary for GA, but the image should have alt text to aid with accessibility. Steelkamp (talk) 14:58, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
  • Changed caption to alt Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:46, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

General

Alright, I have placed this on hold awaiting improvements from you. Steelkamp (talk) 23:13, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

@Lee Vilenski: Pinging you in case you didn't see the two more things I added to this page. Very close to GA right now. Steelkamp (talk) 09:36, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Another user fixed the wife and daughter death date issue, and the sub lieutenant/second lieutenant thing was easy enough for me to fix, so all of my suggestions have been addressed. I'm going to pass this now. Steelkamp (talk) 13:46, 26 April 2022 (UTC)