Talk:New Carissa

Questions for peer review/featured article status

Laid down I know nothing about ships. What does "laid down" mean? Is there a wiki article on nautical terms we can link to? The average reader might like to know what the term means. If no wiki article or desire to write one, can we define the term in parentheses? Katr67 02:33, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

• To lay a ship down is to begin construction in a shipyard, to "launch" a vessel is to remove the now-seaworthy vessel from the shipyard and place it in the water. These definitions don't appear to be in Wikipedia anywhere, they ought to be added to glossary of nautical terms, I suppose... --EngineerScotty 06:09, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Done for "lay down", "launch" seems self-explanatory (but I could be wrong). Katr67 17:39, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Verb tense Next question. In "Vessel", The ship "has" as steel construction, but "had" a crew, etc. This sort of makes sense since the ship, or part of it, still exists, but it will never have a crew again. But since everything else is past tense, any objection to making the construction part past tense as well? Katr67 02:39, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

• Someone fixed that. --EngineerScotty 06:09, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Categories Um, "Oregon Culture"? I would add the article to Category:History of Oregon but shipwrecks of the Oregon coast is a subcat of that. Any good arguments for including it with the ballet and symphony and stuff before I remove it? Pop culture maybe (see Exploding Whale, same cat), but I don't think that's what the culture cat covers. Katr67 02:55, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

• Go ahead and remove it. --EngineerScotty 06:09, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
  • OK, I did. Katr67 14:21, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Wood chips I read that the wood chips the NC was to pick up were going to be used to make paper pulp. [1] Can we mention that in the article? A reader unfamiliar with the NW timber industry might well wonder "What the heck do they do with wood chips?" Katr67 17:56, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

• Took care of it. I think I'm done messing with the article now. Congrats on the featured article status everyone! Katr67 01:50, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Reference numbers

There are two note #1s, i.e. two of these: ^[1]. I don't know anything about referencing, plus I know that the article is getting a lot of attention right now, so I thought I'd post it here. The two occur once in the Vessel section and once in Grounding. BigNate37_(T) 16:49, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

• The first two references in the article point to the same footnote; that's why they have the same number. Several footnotes/references are referred to multiple places within the article; this is perfectly normal.--EngineerScotty 17:14, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

• • I seem to have a habit of missing obvious answers to my own questions. Thanks for taking a look. BigNate37_(T) 17:46, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Cause of Grounding?

"The United States Coast Guard performed an investigation and found that captain's error was the main cause of the wreck; ..." (from introduction paragraph) What was the "error" which caused the grounding? The article is unclear as to cause. --TGC55 08:00, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

The section on the grounding and its cause, as well as the section on general vessel information, had been blanked yesterday by vandals. I've re-inserted them: hopefully they answer your questions. --NoahElhardt 15:14, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Image credits

It's not standard and it goes against house style to credit images in the captions. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 13:31, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Officially know as...

"The New Carissa, officially known as the M/V New Carissa"
Is there a reason why it doesn't just say "The M/V New Carissa"? After all, the prefix link explains why it's there. κаллэмакс 16:50, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Contradition

In part of the article it states that it was decided that they could not remove the ship. But latter it says that they are planning to remove it. This is unclear and should be fixed 163.118.216.93 19:01, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Stern or bow in picture?

The text below the first picture refers to the stern of the ship. However, I'm fairly sure the picture shows the bow of the ship. If someone agrees with me, please do the editing! B.r. SHa, Nav. arc. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.250.121.70 (talk) 19:55, 31 March 2007 (UTC).

Yes, the lead image is the bow as these pictures corroborate: [2] [3] [4] the bow was towed out to sea and ran aground on its own, and the lead picture could be the bow at that time, approximately between March 2 and March 9. Gimmetrow 20:41, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

It's the bow, but it is a funny looking bow. Scroll down to the photo of the intact ship and you'll see it had an after house (i.e. a big white thingie in the back). There's no big white thingie on this piece of the ship, hence it's probably not the stern. The positioning of the cranes makes it is pretty clear too. Cheers. (3/m) Haus42 21:01, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Tourism?

I live in Oregon, and I remember when this whole ordeal was going on, apparently Coos Bay's tourism went up. The remains of the wreck are still a fairly steady tourism draw, apparently. Why isn't this mentioned in the article? --Ragemanchoo 10:15, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

• If you can find a reliable source for that, put it in! Or contact me (with the source), and I'll add it for you. --EngineerScotty 17:29, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Removal

The remains are in the process of being removed. http://www.kgw.com/news-local/stories/kgw_032608_news_new_carissa_.2bd8d6f.html Proxy User (talk) 00:14, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Was just going to note this; the O is covering this closely with a nice timeline: http://www.oregonlive.com/environment/index.ssf/2008/06/yuri_mayani_and_robert_swanson.html --Esprqii (talk) 18:25, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I added the update template. Hopefuly, someone with the time and inclination will update the last section. Adam850 (talk) 06:48, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

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I updated some of the information about the dismantling of the New Carissa and added a photo showing the Karlissa A and Karlissa B. If appropriate feel free to include some additional photos.

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  Oregon Governor returns from viewing the New Carissa disassembly. Kulongoski is sitting behind the driver in a blue jacket and blue cap. Before leaving he provided a few statements in an interview with the local media (Matt Jarvis).
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  Titan employees look down from the Karlissa B during the demolition of the New Carissa stern.
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  The cable and cable car that provides access to Karlissa A at the New Carissa work site.

I have a few more photos but have submitted the best of the lot.

--Dbrouse (talk) 08:44, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

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WP:URFA/2020

I am reviewing this very old FA as part of WP:URFA/2020, an effort to determine whether old featured articles still meet the featured article criteria. The FAC nominator has not edited in years, and the (competent) article needs some updating.

• Scholarly articles published after this article was written should be examined for 1b comprehensiveness.

SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:20, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

No response, listing at WP:FARGIVEN. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:38, 5 July 2022 (UTC)