Talk:New Haven and Derby Railroad

Pre-GA notes

@Trainsandotherthings: While you've done some great work on this article so far, I don't think it's ready for GA. Given that the company only ever operated a single line, the article should cover the whole history of the line, not just the corporate history. I would recommend adding the following to reach GA quality and meet criteria 3a (broad in coverage):

• List of passenger stations, cited to 1912 or 1915 timetables
• Brief description of the route (possibly just a few sentences before the station list), with a map if possible. 1915 valuation maps may be useful to source any details. I will try to add a KML file within the next few days.
• Full history of service (passenger and freight) on the line, including the West River Branch built in 1892
• History of abandonment, including any documented remains

I'm happy to help with any of those items if you need. Note that the Tyler City Station site has an exhaustively researched and cited history of the line. Because of the completeness of the citations, I consider it a reliable enough source for GA; in many cases it is also possible to verify directly from the listed sources. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 19:32, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, that's on me that I didn't get this all the way to the level I normally do. I was lazy and nominated it for GA before it was really ready, knowing that the backlog is so long it would be a while before it gets picked up. I was going to work on it but got distracted by my FAC. I'm going to expand this article soon, hopefully today, and get it to something really ready for GAN. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:52, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

@Pi.1415926535: I've made some improvements now. Do you have one of those station listings you could add to this article? I know you usually are able to find timetables. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 14:34, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:New Haven and Derby Railroad/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Styyx (talk · contribs) 00:10, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello! I've decided to pick this up. Just in advance: I'm more of a plane guy, without much knowlegde of trains. :D Not mandatory, but a review of Deli Mike or a second opinion at Geliyoo would be appreciated.

Basics

• Earwig gives no copyvio.
• A bit of original research, see below.
• Neutral and no edit wars.
• No MoS issues, broad and focused.

Lead

Seems to be a pretty summarizing lead. However:

• I've added a {{Not verified in body}} tag to the final sentence, as there is nothing in the rest of the article about it. WP:BLUESKY may apply.

  Reference 2 verifies this. I have made it more explicit in the body that there's a portion in use by Metro-North Railroad. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 18:45, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Body

Prose is fine. Only one error:

• "the company had difficult attracting sufficient business" — should be "difficulties (with)".

  Oops. Yeah that's my error. Fixed. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 03:25, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

• If there are sources about things described on the talk page, please add that information. If not, then it sucks but no problem.

Images

• Image in the infobox is licensed with CC0; eligable for use, and relevant.
• Second image is in the public domain, also relevant.

Sources

Only 5 references, so I decided to take a look at all of them.

1. I'm able to access this. The source confirms the text, but add |page=3 so the page number is directly shown in the "References" section.
2. Sadly, The Wikipedia Library only shows pages 103 and 104 of the source, so I'm not able to access it. Not afraid to AGF on this per checks on other sources.
3. Took a while to figure out where the hell it was, haha. Source confirms the claims; add |page=1.
4. Also confirms the claims; add |page=1.
5. |title-link= doesn't work: change it to ":commons:file:August 1912 New Haven Railroad western timetable.pdf" to fix it. This one is a bit problematic. As far as I can see, the pages don't mention "West Haven" at all. The stations/junctions listed in the table as 1.5; 1.9; and 10.8 aren't in the source either. The distance of Orange is actually 6.6 and not 6.0.

• Link fixed, page numbers added to all newspaper sources. The junctions listed at 1.5 and 10.8 do not have stations, they are merely interchange points. Karr's book (reference 2) confirms a station at West Haven; the milepost is listed as 2 as he rounded them to the nearest mile for reader convenience. The book also includes maps for each railroad line, and the maps show the locations of junctions. You appear to be correct about the distance to Orange being incorrect, I've corrected it in the station table. Courtesy ping to @Pi.1415926535: who may wish to comment. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 18:45, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

I just saw this. Technically awake but mentally not (it's 3am). Will look tomorrow. ~Styyx^Talk? 00:51, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Good catch about 6.6 versus 6.0 miles. All looks good to me now. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 03:07, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Overall

Good Article review progress box

Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

• Close to being ready for GA. Please try to fix the issues within a month or so (there aren't many anyway).  On hold. ~Styyx^Talk? 00:10, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Okey dokey lokey. Passing! Make sure to nominate an interesting fact from the article for DYK. :) ~Styyx^Talk? 23:19, 7 August 2022 (UTC)